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by Steven R on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:19:17 PM PDT
If you combine Obama's grassroots movement with Hillary's political machine in swing states, McCain doesn't stand a chance.
McCain wants to send your job overseas.
by GoogleBonhoeffer on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:23:49 PM PDT
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-- Either get behind Obama 100% of GTFO of DailyKos.
by DemCurious on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 02:30:15 AM PDT
The Republicans are eagerly digging Obama's political grave. Eleanor Clift said, "I feel like I'm sitting here at the altar of the Republican National Committee, watching the dismantling of Barack Obama." She went on to point out that just because a white voter chose Hillary over Obama, that didn't mean they would necessarily choose John McCain over him in the fall. The rest chuckled over her comment and resumed the dismantling.
The primaries have gone on too long, and the gasbags have run out of things to say. Almost all the contributions from the Republican mouthpieces these days are serving the end of redefining Barack Obama as elitist, liberal, Other. The faxes have gone out from RNC headquarters, apparently, and we're being treated to another coordinated character assassination of a Democratic presidential nominee. I hope Barack Obama and the Democratic party have learned the lessons of the past several elections this time.
I can't expect to live in a democracy if I'm not prepared to do the work of being a citizen.
by Dallasdoc on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:53:16 PM PDT
And where do you listen?
"To kill one person is murder. To kill thousands is foreign policy." Chinese writer Moh-Tze
by ILean Left on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:58:43 PM PDT
Chat show on PBS with a predominance of conservative gasbags. It's a guilty pleasure.
by Dallasdoc on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:01:43 PM PDT
It's usually two liberals, Pat Buchanan and Fat Tony. I love it! "Bye-bye!!"
Never give up! Never surrender!
by oscarsmom on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:05:33 PM PDT
I have not seen any liberal other than Clift on the show in years. The other "liberal" is usually Kondracke or Barnes, neither of whom is remotely considered liberal by any reasonable standard. The left has been under-represented since Jack Germond left.
Don't drink and blog. Think of the children.
by RickD on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:26:47 PM PDT
My, political TV has changed and yet some how stayed the same.
Another Reagan Democrat coup is the NAFTA Clintons getting away with laying claim to be in the best interest of unions and workers. If the NAFTA Clintons are working/middle class America's best shot, we all better learn how to goat farm.
...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean
by dkmich on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:00:54 AM PDT
Usually watch the show and haven't seen that anytime recently, but yeah, that guy is as far right as Tony Blankley and even more so than Buchanan; Kondracke is right of center also, although to a comparitively lesser degree.
Normally, however, the other person on the "left" side of the panel with Clift is Lawrence O'Donnell, Clarence Page, or a European journalist; sometimes it can be Mort Zuckerman, too, though, who I'd agree is too far right to be on the left side, but usually it's a fair pick.
Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.
by ShadowSD on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 05:14:30 AM PDT
Corporate Media: Republicans are their base.
by lecsmith on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:28:26 PM PDT
by worldwideellen on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:24:58 PM PDT
Lately, though, Monica Crowley has been filling in for Tony. (Pat's seat was and is closer to the camera that the other one)
by ShadowSD on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 05:15:53 AM PDT
is watched by junkies like us who aren' going to be swayed by that old lecher and his yes men, unless they agree with him anyway.
The fundamentals of this race haven't changed, and there is still the whole summer to paint McDepends as the senile old crank that he is.
Unless things go really badly and the fight stretches to the convention, in which case we'd have our work cut out for us.
Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.Oh, also when they eat brains.
by Ugluks Flea on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:23:55 PM PDT
"I don't think that's going to be the issue that people vote on," the Illinois Democrat said. "People respect John McCain. They know he's a tough guy. He's gone through things that I think most of us can only imagine."
from Today's LA Times.
As far as McDepends goes: That's really insulting to a huge class of voters. How come it's OK to hate old people?
Greed makes a really shitty foundation for a civilization to build itself upon.
by Red Bean on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:00:26 PM PDT
How come it's OK to hate old people?
They can't fight back. You punch an old dude or old broad and they just crumple into a pile of BenGay smelling adult diapers.
/snark
(I'm allowed to make old people jokes as I am a member.)
John McWar: refighting Vietnam in Iraq, relighting the Cold War in Georgia.
by edg on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:31:13 PM PDT
Their results don't seem to fit current reality
Gallup aced if they would or would not vote for a qualified black, woman or 72 year old for president
would would not black 94 5 woman 88 11 age 72 57 43
by joynow on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:02:03 PM PDT
the following info for that last column:
age 72 (with father who died at age 70 and grandfather who died at age 61, just four days after witnessing the Japanese surrender in Tokyo Bay).
And of course we haven't even taken into account the physical and mental impact the age 72 guy may be carrying from his years as a POW in Vietnam four decades ago, because we have no way of measuring that wild card factor.
by Randall Sherman on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:14:30 PM PDT
Longevity runs in many families. Helen Thomas may be old, but she is not impaired. Generalizations don't work, not even for McSame. He may be nuts, greedy, power made, and a hot head, but blaming him on old age is a dis-service to seniors everywhere.
by dkmich on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:06:49 AM PDT
if we live long enough. so, we are just laughing at ourselves.
REALITY IS NOT ALWAYS PROBABLE,OR LIKELY. JORGE LUIS BORGES
by AltruisticSkeptic on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:17:24 PM PDT
nickname for Dave Vitter?
LeBron is supporting Obama...will you?
by BlueEngineerInOhio on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 10:37:09 PM PDT
Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67
by bythesea on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:20:44 AM PDT
by TNforkerry on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:25:25 PM PDT
guilty pleasures, too. Did you know that he used to be a priest?
by gailwax on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:16:53 PM PDT
listening. McLaughlin hosts a little soirée of self-inflated buffoons who offer incredibly vacuous observations on all things political. It's one of the more embarrassing programs one will find on the schedules of PBS stations.
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." JFK - January 20, 1961
by rontun on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:14:26 PM PDT
I serve so that my children don't have to. I fight so my children won't have to.
by fromdabak on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:20:01 PM PDT
by worldwideellen on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:27:06 PM PDT
WEALTH is flat-out wrong.
Show off some period-correct food stamps. Explain what the family finances looked like.
MUSLIM is flat-out wrong.
Show the Christian symbols, paintings, Bible around the house. Have daughters explain the obvious.
Kill off the WEALTH and NUSLIM disinformation.
Then O'Bama wins by 5 to 10 percent.
Unless ye be anti-Irish...............
Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.
by vets74 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:23:24 PM PDT
He's also Irish. :)
by bythesea on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:21:23 AM PDT
It went to his tongue.
by vets74 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 06:15:33 AM PDT
by ILean Left on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:42:42 PM PDT
Is rontun a liberal elitist who hates McLaughlin and other good Americans like Rush Limbaugh? More after the break ...
by edg on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:33:42 PM PDT
You can get their pod-casts here.
http://www.mclaughlin.com/
by William Domingo on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:51:56 PM PDT
goes the issue of race, and his all knowing wisdom.... He didn't/couldn't talk about race when Obama won Iowa or came close in New Hampshire, but after Bill Clinton and South Carolina, that's all he has talked about... He's a one trick pony but the thing is that he's gotten Joe Scarborough to tapdance to that tune as well, as well as the Clinton campaign....
Thank God, for Rachel Maddow pimpslapping Joey boy until he cried and went home on Gregory's show...
by fromdabak on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:05:16 PM PDT
by anotherCt Dem on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:16:31 PM PDT
her support for Hillary.... But I haven't read or seen her since last summer, so that may have changed.... Any insight?
by fromdabak on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:19:29 PM PDT
and see something we are missing. But I believe Sen Clinton has been transparent these months. And it's not been pretty.
by anotherCt Dem on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:22:33 PM PDT
I am a Newsweek subscriber, recently there was an excerpt from her book about the death of her husband. She mentioned that Hillary called and invited her to coffee or something.
by chambord on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:30:39 PM PDT
by worldwideellen on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:28:18 PM PDT
been a young woman during that wave of the feminist movement. The feminists who are approximately 10 years older than I am. I think that generation of women identify with Hillary a lot. They see the remedies as being basically civil and legal, driven by the State. (An over-simplification to be sure.)
By the time I was old enough to be thinking deeply about feminism, I was reading about liberal feminists (Hillary's wave), socialist feminists, and radical feminists.
by lecsmith on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:27:38 PM PDT
be supporting just any woman to be President to break the glass ceiling... Did she support Lizzy Dole in 2000? Maybe close to the Clintons or something, I don't know....
by fromdabak on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:30:08 PM PDT
years, she might know Hillary from the 90s.
by lecsmith on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:53:07 PM PDT
who can't believe feminists would support Hillary for so many reasons. These women are white Catholics too, my aunt and her friends. They were asking me why.
I could only tell them about my older sister who had planned to vote Hillary in NJ although she was telling me all the things she did not like about her political past or probable way of governing. She was surprised I didn't support her, all of her fiends did. I was puzzled. Given her political view of her why would she vote for her? She began telling me how it's a womans turn, how these old white men were afraid of a strong, smart woman and would rather endorse some black kid that just waltzes in after Hilary had worked so hard. I suggested they might have the same political view of her that she did and that was the reason.
NO! She knew they want to put women down like men always have and keep them in their place. She talked about bosses and husbands and boyfriends, women treated badly, given the scut work and have to smilingly take it and stay in their place to be accepted and white senators were continuing this. I was hearing this rage as she continued condemning men for keeping women down.
This was especially perplexing considering my sister's history with men. Gently as I could I pointed out she has wrapped them around her little finger most of her life and treated them pretty poorly. She yelled that she had to do that to them before they did it to her because that is what men do. All her friends knew that, why didn't I?
Now by the end of that conversation having gotten her rage out she asked me about Obama and decided the way he's turn America would do more for daughters and granddaughters than having a woman president just because she was a woman. She said she was voting for Obama but didn't want her husband to know because he'd think he won. I never asked her how she voted because I'm not at all sure that decision lasted.
There was a time not long ago when certain jobs were male domain and there were or are social expectations. But we are not victims of expectations unless they are our own. Other's expectations are not laws and if we do smile and take them and let rage build it is not "their" fault, we are victimizing ourselves.
Someone else told me about her group of female friends around 60 that were supporting Clinton. They didn't talk about rage but rather Obama's youth and arrogance and it not being his turn. Who knows what is under that. The lady who told me was supporting Obama because she felt so burnt by both Clintons. She was supporting him but not believing he'd change anything. She had believed once before and had heard Bill speak a few times in 92, shook his hand and she believed. She thought he meant what he said about changing America and expected wonderful things and then felt betrayed from early on. She paid close attention to politics and had a clearer view of Bill and Hillary then I think a lot of s did.
All that said...a feminist theoretically does not want choices made on the basis of gender, so saying feminists should support Hillary is not the feminist thing to do, it is a sexist thing to do.
by joynow on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:40:00 PM PDT
But many women from that generation, who were more than "trendy 70s", think that the Clintons and their policies were a huge disappointment. Unlike the Clintons, their hearts and minds actually stayed in support of the values of the 60s (with a few minor tweaks here and there).
IMO and generally speaking, of course, the 60s and the 70s had little to nothing in common. If the 60s were 100% cotton, the 70s were 100% polyester. Remember the liesure suit? I often think of the 70s crowd as the polyester hippies. The polyester hippies only looked like hippies. They copied the fashion (imagine long hair and torn jeans as fashion) because it was the cool and trendy thing to do. If Tom Brokaw is running around with long hair smoking a doob, it has to be the 70s. This group totally missed the message if they even knew there was one. All the wannabes knew about hippies was long hair, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
by dkmich on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:40:46 AM PDT
They'll never learn, and their failure to act is the reason we will lose in November.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:10:34 PM PDT
vast right-wing conspiracy in his pocket?
Or are you talking about cowards like Nunn, Boren, the entire Kennedy family, 99% of the military or what have you, John Lewis, Michelle Obama, Jimmy Hoffa Jr., or wait... are we talking about the same Obama?
...on a good day I bowl a 19
by mahakali overdrive on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:46:23 PM PDT
by worldwideellen on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 09:24:08 PM PDT
they would never again send a reporter to one of those news correspondents dinners & roasts? ... supposedly out of an ethical consideration for conflicts of interest? .. I believe this so-called prohibition came about after the "MC Rove" rapping with David Gregory (super-Whore) of NBC News...
YET...
Here is the latest (and final) White House Correspondents Dinner for GWB -- and who is one of the 10 or so journalists sharing the dais with our beloved President?
Yep, reporter from the New York frikkin Times ... a paper that has as much credibility as Hillary Clinton in the honesty & integrity dept. (he's the last one onto the stage).
Note also: another special guest? President of ABC News... Hmmph. Interesting. Maybe a little quid pro quo for Boy George & The Gibs at the last Democratic Debate?
Naaaah ... It's just coincidence.
----- _The Flow of FISA: video clips | GroundZero
by rhfactor on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:14:22 PM PDT
for characterizing Obama, in a recent interview, as just another politician -- this AFTER Obama refused to throw Wright under the bus. (I'm posting it here because -- where the hell else am I supposed to post it?)
by rhfactor on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:19:36 PM PDT
We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/
by anastasia p on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:53:30 PM PDT
22% of the electorate are going to be embracing Senator Walnuts McShame as they become increasingly familiar with his fondness for Rev. John Hagee, who suggests the Pope is the anti-Christ, and that the Catholic Church is "The Beast".
by rontun on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:06:26 PM PDT
Predominantly Catholic, but most have never heard of Hagee. I'm making it a personal priority to spread the word about him as far as possible among Hispanics.
"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." -- Elie Wiesel
by carolita on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:15:03 PM PDT
by Uncle Moji on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:19:38 PM PDT
by fromdabak on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:32:38 PM PDT
Didn't Karl Rove convince everyone that McCain has a black daughter out of wedlock back in 2000?\
January 20. 2009 cannot come soon enough.
by Crisis Corps Volunteer on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:18:59 PM PDT
of the nomination, McCain's share will go up to 40 or 50% of the black vote. The black vote is more conservative than you realize.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:13:01 PM PDT
however I do think many AA voters will sit out the Presidential election if she does that.
by bythesea on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:26:59 AM PDT
by Joe Willy on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:55:06 PM PDT
that Hillary is touting that she's more acceptable to racists. That, along with her parroting of the Fox line regarding Rev Wright, should be more than enough to disqualify her from the nomination - even if she were more acceptable to racists than McCain is (something she seems to be working diligently on, since she has jettisoned the AA vote).
"Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.
by nailbender on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 04:56:01 PM PDT
be meeting near you. Check out their website partylikeits1959.org for locations and times.
by edg on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:44:53 PM PDT
the local racists advocated for HRC. My partner was there visiting family during the primary and was shocked by that (he was an HRC supporter, but is now wavering, especially since her Iran comments).
by bythesea on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:28:48 AM PDT
louise 'hussein' to you! proud donor to "White Dudes for Obama" Endorsed 11/1/07 and never looked back!
by louisev on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:13:38 PM PDT
of the Hispanic vote. Why are Hispanics attracted to Clinton? There are black Hispanics and Asian Hispanics. Where so they stand? Why are some Hispanics (which of these sub groups?) not supporting Obama?
And is there a socioeconomic factor as well. We lived in California for 3 decades. There are many Hispanics there whose families came to the area before it was a state. Long before it was a state. My guess is they have little in common with the average Hispanic voter. Another element never discussed. A lot of the immigrants from Mexico and Central American are Native Americans. Many of these people use Spanish as a second language. It is far more complex than presented. News, huh?
by Heart of the Rockies on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:15:21 PM PDT
for the typos. But you get the gist of it, even so.
by Heart of the Rockies on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:06:25 PM PDT
and I can't figure out why the Latino vote is slanted towards Clinton, or even Bush back in the day. I relate it to what you see among white folks like the blue-collar white voters in Pennsylvania: when folk are more uneducated, religiously conservative and from strong authoritarian families -- things that I believe there are in common among these two groups -- they're more likely to be swayed by conservative ideologies and more likely to staunchly "cling" to and defend them. Wealthier and/or more educated folk are more likely to break towards "liberal" views because they have access to resources like information and different modes of thinking, that inevitably make it harder for them to believe a bunch of corrupt, hypocritical politicians -- not to mention, they need pols less because they're not enduring as many of the issues or hardships that poorer folk do, so they don't feel like politicians are really doing, or can do anything useful, for them or at all.
by chin075 on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:14:15 PM PDT
by Heart of the Rockies on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 06:39:23 PM PDT
The nut of low information and incurious voters is one we have yet to fully crack. Gov. Dean has, I think, at least got it in the jaws of the nut cracker (lousy metaphor, sorry) - you can't win if you don't compete, so he's put us in a position to compete everywhere and Obama has definitely taken Dean's strategy to heart.
The remaining challenge is to educate blue collar families, white, Hispanic, whatever, on how the level of difficulty they face making ends meet correlates 100% with GOP rule and that wedge issues are exactly that, wedges, in ways that make sense to them.
As tough a challenge as this all is, it's that much tougher in the face of a traditional media that aids and abets the GOP's effort to keep blue collar families as ignorant of the damage the GOP has done and will continue to do to them as possible.
Democracy is a contact sport...
by jsmagid on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:36:16 PM PDT
Bill Clinton was very popular among Hispanics (don't forget two of his cabinet members were Hispanic) and suspect Hillary profited by legacy. She also made a much more concerted effort early on to court this group -- and don't forget her campaign manager, Solis Doyle, was a member. When Solis Doyle was eventually deposed many in the community were very angry. Latin America has also had experience with strong women in politics so the idea of a woman President may not be so novel. Clearly, this is not a monolithic group but in some quarters there is also brown-black antagonism to consider. Suspect that the Clinton campaign made a very concerted effort to nail down this group, perhaps expecting that they might lose some blacks to Obama -- before they almost totally alienated blacks.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell
by Psyche on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 08:26:02 PM PDT
the Latino vote, as the Mexican-American vote. She has no lock on Latino votes overall.
by bythesea on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:29:48 AM PDT
I've wondered this, and analyzed it.
Because I moonlight as an immigration rights advocate in NorCal, working toward reform.
So I asked around. A lot.
It's NOT a voting block. What she has is less-educated voters (meaning English speaking... remember, there has only been one televised debate in Spanish), and Catholic voters.
The split is really heavy down Catholic vs. non-Catholic Latinos.
Now I'm still trying to figure out why she appeals more to Catholics. That, I haven't got pegged quite as much.
by mahakali overdrive on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 07:49:07 PM PDT
Beautiful, thanks.
by Hope Monger on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 05:15:37 PM PDT
wide narrow
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