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Women voted for Clinton, not against Obama
Really? How do you know that?
For what it's worth, this 47-year-old white female's vote is largely Any Dem but Clinton.
America: Show your support for it with more than jingoistic slogans or leave it.
by CJB on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:32:45 AM PDT
...are you accusing white women of being racists because they find Hilary a better candidate than Obama?
by KathleenM1 on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:41:05 AM PDT
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I said no such thing.
I'm saying that the diarist made a blanket statement based on who-knows-what that can't be backed up with facts. The diarist has no way of knowing the reasons for anyone's vote.
And for the record, out of the millions of votes cast? I'm sure there are white women out there who voted against Obama because he's black. Just as there are people who won't vote for Clinton because she's a woman. Bigotry abounds.
by CJB on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:51:49 AM PDT
"Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo
by lordcopper on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 08:57:44 AM PDT
That is why I posted it. the polling data is evidence.
And I must say this constant accusation that there is no evidience and I am posting an evidence free diary is a counter assault based on either laziness or ignorance...and those are two of the better motivations for this accusation.
The article has lots of polling data and links....and Texas Liz posted a diary based on the same article and pulls out more data.
Debra
by debcoop on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:10:54 PM PDT
one that seems to be ignored by alot of the media and pundits and bloggers alike but a reason I am finding more and more boomer women admitting to.
I find I am now having running debates with good female friends who are staunch supporters of HRC...notice I said supporters of HILLARY and this is an important distinction and one Hillary plays up all the time.
HRC has realized she has the vote of middle aged women and older women based on her position as the supportive WIFE of a serial CHEATER, one she has chosen to stick by through all his affairs. I find that these women want to stick by HRC as a way to show support for ALL WOMEN who have found themselves in her position. Women who have decided to keep their families together even though their spouse is a LOUSE. this isnt so much a vote for HRC as it is a SOLIDARITY SISTER kind of thing.
We women have been 'taking it from our men" for centuries and we have stuck by them and stood behind them for just as long and NOW one of us is running for President and many women are using this moment to make a statement and a stand and HRC is the standard-bearer...for NOW.
I think this is why Obama has found it difficult to make inroads with a certain female segment of the voting population.... BUT it doesnt mean he wont capture those votes once HRC is no longer running... BUT it also means he may not be able to capture those votes until HRC is out of the race - and it does no good to try and force her out because it only makes the 'women' who support HER dig their heels further into the sand.
So do a little research on your own.... when you meet a staunch dug in HRC supporter be polite, be supportive, be understanding and quietly ask WHY, why they are supporting HRC - keep track of how many of them respond with something akin to "because i like her, thats why" and how many respond with substantive reasons based on her policies...
The CONSTITUTION is MY Flag pin
by KnotIookin on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:18:02 AM PDT
a good reason to vote for a candidate, but I have to say voting for someone because her husband cheated on her has got to be right up there in the top ten of pretty foolish reasons to vote for someone.
by elmo on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:43:27 AM PDT
because she didn't leave him...Honest lots of women who hate her for that.
by debcoop on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:21:08 PM PDT
but it is a reason. I too have had a disagreement with one of my female friends over the same issue. My friend is in her 60's and she thinks we women owe it to Hilary to stand behind her after all that Hilary has been through. I think we owe it to the country to stand behind the best candidate, Obama.
by mjminPA on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 10:34:03 AM PDT
That has always been my take on her and why, even though I was in the Boston Convention Center when he made his 2004 speech, I did not like him from the beginning.
From that speech it was evident he wasn't much of a DEMOCRATIC PARTISAN NOR A REAL PROGRESSIVE.
I was torn between Edwards and her...but Obama was always at the bottom of my list because it thought his post partisanship was just foolish....and now it's even less likely to work because he's been tarnished and those independents and Republicans who would have voted for him before are having 2nd and 3rd thoughts.
I don't see you convince anyone that his policies are better than hers. that's like saying day is night. By any progressive measure her policies are better tnan his...Enough better than his that he is often just cribbing them from her....like her COPS proposal and her stimulus package and her green jobs proposal ( which she has talked about for years and years) and how to renegotiate NAFTA....really the man is just a copycat....but one who doesn't really mean it so he won't really try very hard..
by debcoop on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:20:09 PM PDT
I find the indimidation by some of these women groups trying to force us to vote for her because she is a woman offensive.
I live in NY and worked for her for the senate election. But would never want to see her as president. She is not qualified, and her tactics during this campaign shows me that is not the kind of person I want in the White House.
She is losing every measure and has the nerve to say she is winning. She is dillusional. She clalims the popular vote, when Obama was not on the ballot in MI. She does not include the popular vote of 4 caucus states. Which gives Obama an insurrmontable lead even if she won all of the remaining states.
She is disingenuous. And she will say and do anything to win.
by ronnied on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:21:55 AM PDT
Polling results and exit polls are data.
This is a logical fallacy you are engaging in.
by debcoop on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:42:55 AM PDT
by CJB on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 12:07:10 PM PDT
wide narrow
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