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  •  I will be (0+ / 0-)

    after a wall is up.

    Don't talk to me about reform until we have taken care of prevention so we aren't dancing this same dance again in 20 years.

    "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

    by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:03:30 PM PDT

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    •  Most of the undocumented came legally. (0+ / 0-)

      Would you recommend locking up the country?

      by immigradvocate on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:15:46 PM PDT

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      •  How did they come here legally? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't understand.

        by Purple Hazer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:29:01 PM PDT

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        •  overstayed Visas (0+ / 0-)

          "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

          by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:32:10 PM PDT

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          •  That's illegal. Maybe we shouldn't extend (0+ / 0-)

            student visas if the system is going to be abused.

            by Purple Hazer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:39:56 PM PDT

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            •  I don't agree with that (0+ / 0-)

              I think it is good for us to take in students and export our experience.

              I actually think we should just allow more of those kids to stay here after their education is over.  The main problem I have with our immigration policy is that the chief people we let into the country are uneducated laborers, and we make doctors and scientists take a number.

              "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

              by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:43:02 PM PDT

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              •  But that would not please the Hispanic activists (0+ / 0-)

                I'm not sure that there are as many Hispanic doctors and scientists as there are from Asian or European countries.

                by Purple Hazer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:53:33 PM PDT

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                •  That I agree with. (0+ / 0-)

                  We could do brain drain on most other countries, but elect not to.

                  the most incredible competitive advantage in today's economy, and we just squander it.

                  "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

                  by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:55:04 PM PDT

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      •  There you go (1+ / 0-)

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        justCal

        Immigration advocates are always trying to throw this red herring out.

        Very few people are in the "round 'em all up" camp.  I certainly am not.

        But, we've been fed this amnesty crap twice - every 20 years.  and every 20 years we end up with 5-10x as many illegals to provide amnesty for and the borders don't get closed.

        So, when we get the borders closed, I will be more than happy to vote for a path to legality, and I'll escew those bullshit "touchback" provisions.  I won't even care too much about a fine.

        But, not until we have border security.  Real. Physical. Security.

        Come back then.  We might be slow learners, but we've learned after your lobby has pulled the wool over our eyes 2x before.

        "Capitalism is the only system that can make freedom, individuality, and the pursuit of values possible in practice." - Ayn Rand

        by headhunt23 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:31:55 PM PDT

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