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People are STILL talking about impeachment, six months from election day?
Yeah, whatever. You're badass...
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by DHinMI on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:18:11 PM PDT
i'm not the one obsessed with the telecom immunity issue. I just find it amusing that other people can be so obsessed with it, when it means absolutely nothing without a threat to impeach or prosecute.
Since "smart" people like you seem to scorn the idea, why don't you tell me why I should care about telecom amnesty?
Also, you intend to follow me into every diary I write to shit in the pond? Insecure much?
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by thereisnospoon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:22:04 PM PDT
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And I'm insecure, which is why I scoffed at this diary (and hundreds of others over the last year and a half arguing for the imperative to impeach).
by DHinMI on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:27:43 PM PDT
whatever, DH. What about out-of-office prosecution?
Look, I haven't hit the impeachment gong for a long time. I can go either way on it, and both arguments pro and con are fairly convincing to me.
All I'm saying is that the fight over telecom amnesty is more than a little silly without any realistic threat to hold the Administration accountable. Bush is the target, not AT&T.
by thereisnospoon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:29:56 PM PDT
by daliscar on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:33:12 PM PDT
Civil Damage, plus Atty's fees, is nothing to sneeze at. Perhaps a trillion dollars in total.
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by ben masel on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:11:01 PM PDT
this close to the election, but it already should have, if we were a country that followed the rule of law and used the Constitution as intended. Why it seems so funny to otherwise intelligent people baffles me.
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by trashablanca on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:34:42 PM PDT
and I agree, I don't know what's funny about it either. The fact that impeachment was never even considered says something terrible about our democracy.
But this isn't really about that. It's about the hypocrisy of those who pretend they're doing something real for America in standing up against telecom amnesty, when they won't stand up for the only reason for pursuing the issue in the first place.
Kagro X, to his great credit, know why it's so important to pursue this because he's been an impeachment hound from early on. I'm not so sure why any other people care about it if they aren't willing to go all the way.
by thereisnospoon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:39:07 PM PDT
I certainly haven't been an impeachment advocate, but the current speculation is that telecom amnesty is so important to the Bush administration because it would eliminate the need for a "discovery phase" at which misdeeds of the Bush administration would come to light.
The difficulty is, we already know of a crapload of egregious misdeeds of the Bush administration, and nothing has been done to punish the perpetrators.
At this point, the only thing we're fighting over is precedent for future administrations. That's a small victory, indeed.
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by hekebolos on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:37:43 PM PDT
are fairly useless, given all the other arguably more important precedents we could be setting.
by thereisnospoon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:39:42 PM PDT
isn't it bad form for frontpagers who speak for the site to troll an individual author just because they had a dispute in that author's previous diary?
by hekebolos on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:45:37 PM PDT
i'm not the first person DH has had it in for, and I won't be the last. I think it's funny, actually.
I figure if you haven't pissed off DH and Armando enough to make them hate you, you've probably been on the wrong side of too many issues.
by thereisnospoon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:48:44 PM PDT
What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.
by Marie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:04:31 PM PDT
... and Cheney right up to Inauguration Day.
And we shouldn't stop talking about it thereafter.
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by tbetz on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:05:14 PM PDT
wide narrow
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