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So you're saying having no record, being vague on the issues and using grandiose flowery language about bringing people together is a good thing?
No, I'm saying having a solid record as a progressive, having years of experience as an organizer bringing people together and having the eloquence of JFK is a good thing.
On the other hand, I am saying being an habitual liar, a DC triangulator and political hack who is willing to walk away from her so called principals for a handful of votes is a really shitty thing. In addtion to being spiteful, mean and generally having the political charm of a fucking wart hog.
Oprah left his congregation. Is she a racist? He will be back when he gets his book deal, so be prepared.
Oprah left his congregation. Is she a racist?
He will be back when he gets his book deal, so be prepared.
I left the Catholic church? Does that make me an anti-papist moron like Hagee? Conversely is my leaving the church a reflection on the Pope? And does it indicate that all those politicians still in the church believe everything the popes says vis a vis contraception?
I'm sure you'll be rushing to his condemnation during the book signings, 3rd way, he's all you people have by way of a 'controversy'
About the bitter comments: How is that universally accepted as true? Do bitter people buy guns because they get laid off? Do people find religion when they're down on their luck? Is that what you think of faith? Didn't Obama's campaign make assurences to Canada on NAFTA as well?
About the bitter comments: How is that universally accepted as true? Do bitter people buy guns because they get laid off?
Do people find religion when they're down on their luck? Is that what you think of faith?
Didn't Obama's campaign make assurences to Canada on NAFTA as well?
It's pretty well acknowledged that people who don't feel as though they have control over their lives through the political or economic systems will tend to look for other surrogates of control: in the US these tend to be religion, guns, etc. But they can take other nastier forms, like racism, for example or gang membership. That's not to say that conventional religion isn't a legitimate activity in its own right, but it tends to become the surrogate for political activity when political activity is recongized (rightfully) as being impotent.
It doesn't take a genius to realize this --just someone who is reasonably well read and not in deep denial, 3rd way.
Do people find religion when they're down on their luck?
Um, yeah. They do.
Is that what you think of faith?
What I think of faith would blow your little mind.
No, but it's nice to see you following the Clinton's camp lie on this so willingly. That was actually the Clinton camp, initially busted, then the conservatives in Canadian blamed it on the Obama camp, until they rescinded. Now it's 'universally' recognized that Clinton was the one making the overtures, not Obama. But, hey, what's one more lie when you've already made an entire campaign out of lying, right?
by DelicateMonster on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:29:34 AM PDT
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And doesn't moderate his positions at least a little, he will lose the General election, just like Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale and McGovern.
So why didn't Obama leave the congregation? Do you really believe he didn't hear the comments that Wright made on youtube or ones similar to those? Or maybe he didn't go to chuch that often.
Oh by the way I was speaking out against Wright on this blog while Obama lemmings were comparing Wright tp MLK.
Despite your protestatations that obama's bitterness comment is universally true, I think you know it was offensive to people of faith. He was speaking dismissively of people that belive differently than he does, and it was not smart. And by the way, my 'little' mind knows better than to be dismissive of people of faith, maybe your vast intelectual superiority can't grasp the concept of humility...hmm?
Whre does Obama stand on NAFTA, is he going to repeal it? She's for it, so's her husband so am I, Obama's for it too, but he won't tell you that till after the election. How's that for a lie?
by The Third Way on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:05:50 PM PDT
Fucking stupid is how it is. You're as much as saying HIllary's entire campaign on NAFTA is a lie. I'm supposed to feel bad that Obama hasn't denigrated himself to that extent? Obama been pretty clear-- He's said repeatedly that he would revisit NAFTA to renegotiate environmental and labor standards.
He's also said his misgivings about NAFTA did not mean he was opposed to such accords "in general". Got that? Renegotiate to ensure environmental and labor standards are met, but generally open to trade--FAIR trade. There's a helluva difference. It's not gotcha politics, or blatant pandering and lying like HRC's position.
He was speaking dismissively of people that belive differently than he does
No. He wasn't speaking dismissively--he was describing a cultural phenomena--you might disagree with the analysis-- but to suggest, as a result that he was being dismissive is nuts. He was trying to explain it, not dismiss it. I also personally think he was spot on. If you had an open mind, you might too.
So why didn't Obama leave the congregation?
Because he liked Reverend Wright. Because Wright has, in fact, done more good on balance than harm. Much more. Because he understood that politically Wright was a non-starter, but as a human, Wright was an exceptional man. Because he didn't have impudent assholes demanding the purification of religion to the cheap pieties of the religious channel. Because God is bigger than your opinion of Wright, or anyone else.
Wright has been right in about 90% of the things he's said (excepting the AIDS stuff) his problem was his angry outbursts and generally defensive snideness at the press club. But he was as accurate and clear sighted as MLK in his diagnoses--especially his opposition to the war. Wright's delivery came across as angry and self serving: that was the problem, not what he was saying.
But you think that denigrating this man is somehow a mark of intellectual distinction? Like what? Like the valiant efforts of that epitome of brilliance, Sean Hannity? Or maybe that luminary, Bill O'Reilly--both of whom 'caught him out early'. You and Hillary are keeping truly nasty company, my friend. It's nothing to be proud of.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a garden to tend.
by DelicateMonster on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:36:35 PM PDT
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