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by GregMitch on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:19:47 AM PDT
The never-ending scandals of Bushco - where does it all end? Time for someone to ask McCain what he thinks of this particular mess - Holy Joe might have to "personally check his bearings" again after he answers that one!
Defeat John McCain - John McCaingry.com
by AnotherMassachusettsLiberal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:24:22 AM PDT
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end? January 20, 2009, when President Obama is sworn it, and the Bush/Cheney criminals are finally swept out and brought to justice!
Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.
by Happy Days on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:44:49 AM PDT
like a dream...the new American Dream...a justice system that does its job instead of a banana republic justice system that we have now.
Orwell meet George the 43rd
by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:08:46 AM PDT
Fascist democracy. For now, we do still have elections (thankfully).
First, the suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus (Military Commissions Act of 2006) places the US squarely as a fascist state. Without the Great Writ, the Constitution has no underpinnings and individual liberties are also, consequentially, suspended.
Second, the news media ignores issues like Pentagon propaganda, and instead focuses on the latest cute little blonde girl who has disappeared.
The shadow of fascism grows and spreads.
Obama-Feingold '08
by XOVER on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:22:35 AM PDT
I believe a fascist oligarchy is more accurate in this case.
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."- Voltaire - [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778)
by markthshark on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:03:13 AM PDT
Yes, when those that were involved in this sham are not prosecuted.
http://www.freejohnwalker.net/
by berkelbees on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:22:07 AM PDT
design competition would make a great episode. Because all the Republicans going to jail will definitely want special outfits to wear around Leavenworth or Gitmo or wherever we decide to send them. I think Rummy will look simply yummy in orange, and vertical stripes will be slimming on Cheney!
Behind bars, they'll get a chance to feel what it's like to get screwed.
Sweet are the uses of adversity...[Find] tongues in trees, books in the running brooks, Sermons in stones, and good in everything. -Shakespeare, As You Like It
by earicicle on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:03:17 AM PDT
That's the problem.
...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean
by dkmich on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:35:39 PM PDT
If we sit back and let Obama and the Dems do their own thing, then you're probably right.
by maxzj05 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:13:33 PM PDT
or maybe not. who knows.
John McCain graduated in the lowest 1% of his Naval Academy class.
by glutz78 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:40:08 PM PDT
to all self-respecting banana republics.
by ATLSandlapper on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:30:37 AM PDT
Obama 08 Impeach Bush and Cheney (from PDA) And a square with a large peace sign and a smaller "1/20/09"
May we never again have "leaders" like these ones!
by AnotherMassachusettsLiberal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:20:59 AM PDT
I am too worried that someone will express their opposition to my politics on my car.
by dkmich on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:37:45 PM PDT
I choose ones that people have a hard time disagreeing with like, "End the War,Bring The Troops Home Now".
I never put anything on that is insulting to anyone, even Republicans who might be looking for a fight.If you keep it positive then people will listen to the message.
by lindalrs on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:20:31 PM PDT
because nothing will be done, and all this ilk will just be allowed to fester. Historians will look back on the past 7 years and think, "WTF??"
"The Use of Unnecessary Violence Has Been Approved." Keith Olbermann
by CityLightsLover on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:30:41 AM PDT
I think the prevailing opinion in DC will be, like Scalia's, "Oh, that's so over. That was a long time ago. Time to move forward."
Move along. Nothing to see here.
Jesus rode a donkey, not an elephant!
by RagingDem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:40:35 PM PDT
I won't believe Bush is gone or going. That's when I'll wake up from this nightmare that began almost 8 years ago.
by jimreyn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:18:53 PM PDT
Free countries don't eavesdrop on attorneys.
Free countries don't have media that tolerate covert programs of government-paid propagandists.
The Bush Administration is stripping Americans of our freedoms every day. And the media, instead of being watchdogs, are being tame little lapdogs.
Where is the TV coverage of this major scandal?
"We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans." -- Barack Obama
by jhutson on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:36:07 AM PDT
It's not being covered because they're an instrumental part of the scandal. To cover it would be self-incriminating.
-4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.
by pat bunny on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:52:42 AM PDT
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by dzog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:19:09 PM PDT
but I think he could revisit it now
-7.75, -6.05 The point of the war in Iraq is that there IS a war in Iraq- Keith Olbermann
by nicolemm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:53:51 AM PDT
but not nearly as much as should have been done, just considering the magnitude of the situation
McCain on kids; McCain likes lobbyists
by jcil5 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:26:27 AM PDT
I think we can bug him to bring it up again. I know he's here a lot, but I think not so much on weekends, so I'll forward the diary link
by nicolemm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:40:30 AM PDT
..he "mentioned" it.
Covering a topic & mentioning a topic are 2 different things.
KO's first act of covering this military propaganda business would be to offer a Special Comment on it.
Which makes you wonder: Why hasn't Keith Olbermann done a Special Comment on the American military generals joining forces with the establishment media to spread war propaganda?
Answer: Because KO's bosses @ MSNBC will not allow KO to go down that path.
by wyvern on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:02:23 PM PDT
but it wouldn't have to be a Special Comment; a good interview with a knowledgeable guest like the diarist would work for me
by nicolemm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:54:28 PM PDT
We must consider ourselves an "occupied" country until these thugs and their military lackeys are removed and tried for treason. For it IS treason. Nothing short. These military men are propagandists and true terrorists and they make a mockery of the Constitution, which they are sworn to uphold.
They obviously are more like communist countries' military men.
They are truly traitors. Any time you anyone of them spew the government line about how we must attack Iran, think Lying Traitor.
Iran is NOT our ememy. THEY are.
You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.
by mattman on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:11:41 AM PDT
The MSM, especially the TV networks, have been revealed to be fraudulent. Instead of serving the ideal of the Fourth Estate in helping to assure the most essential basis for the Republic, Informed Consent, they are in fact holding the public hostage to special interests.
The only hope we have is to mobilize the internet, and keep the principle of Net Neutrality from being eroded by the lobbyists.
We aren't going to shame the networks into being honest. We lost that game about fifty years ago. The Bush administration has done us a favor by overreaching and making it something that could bust the mirage of credibility that the MSM trades on.
by Stuart Heady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:42:04 AM PDT
"Statistics are people with the tears washed away." Sociologist Ruth Sidel
by Vicky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:00:44 AM PDT
An informed populus is the only response to the special interests that the GOP has sold the republic to
NV-3 Let John Porter sell insurance again, as apposed to selling the country down the drain!!!
by bglv on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:55:50 AM PDT
... I would hope more people now would be waking up to the notion that the MSM no longer reliably functions as a counterbalance to corrupt government.
Fast Food and Fox News - Modern America's version of "Bread and Circuses".
by dzog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:25:16 PM PDT
simple staged events for media consumption seeking some salacious or outrageous comment,preferably made upand suggested by the arrogant self satisfied and conceited windbag,like a Russert or Stephanapolous or Gibson.
These creatures attempt to service their masters, the directors of the news "infotainment" division by playing games and absolutely trivializing and turning into bumper stickers all the issues of the day.
It has been over 20 years that the League of Women voters withdrew from hosting debates because the dishonesty, hucksterism and complete disregard for anything except PR and slogan nongering was what the campaigns wanted to do. The campaigns refused to go on unless certain questions were excluded. Various network hosts and questioners didn't want to take extended questions...they had prearranged gimmicks they insisted on hammering the candidates with. Then the networks insisted on coverage of certain candidates,and exclusion of all"minor candidates". With that scenario, the debates went away.
John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.
by Pete Rock on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:42:37 PM PDT
VPs are notorious for complaining that they don't have much to do, and don't have much real power. Well, Obama can tell Russ that he has one, and only one, duty: To use every resource at his disposal to bring Bush and the others to justice. The closer we get to an Obama presidency, I'm thinking Bush and his buddies are getting more and more nervous.
"Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky
by ratmach on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:44:03 PM PDT
and Feingold accepts, I will do anything and everything in my power to get them elected. Anything. Obama's good enough, but Feingold is my personal legislative-branch hero of heroes.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell
by kyril on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:26:53 PM PDT
He does far more good there as one of the few who'll kick the career senators in their self-satisfied, bought-off butts.
by maxzj05 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:28:25 PM PDT
He wants to change the mindset that got us into Iraq in the first place. Seems like this Pentagon propaganda program would be part of that mindset.
I think I'm starting to favor Obama over McCain.
by DBunn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:48:46 AM PDT
I'm glad to hear that you are STARTING to favor Obama over McCain....that's a darned good start!
If we want peace, why do we give weapons and call it "aid"?
by gdwtch52 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:10:46 AM PDT
It was snark, of course. I try to laugh some, through the tears.
Barack's my guy all the way.
by DBunn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:19:39 AM PDT
just trying to carry on your snark...;)
by gdwtch52 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:22:18 AM PDT
verbiage to describe these traitors a little more accurately.
The Pentagon's Pensioned Pundits might work. Reference to their former leadership positions ought to be avoided, since they've obviously violated the professional qualifications that led to them.
Pensioned Propagandist for the Pentagon is another more accurate alternative designation.
Is there some expectation that a person receiving a pension will continue in good standing in the military community? Does the oath to protect the Constitution expire with retirement? Is it not subversive to spread disinformation?
How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.
by hannah on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:34:59 AM PDT
Poison Pundits? They have surely poisoned the well of free speech as well as dropped poison pills into any kind of good reporting.
The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips
by Mnemosyne on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:31:36 AM PDT
pensioned Propagandist for the Pentagon, Mr. McInerney, on the latest situation in Iran."
I like it!
by maxzj05 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:39:38 PM PDT
too early in my day to be reminded of bearing checking by Lieberman!
by nicolemm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:51:44 AM PDT
Bush let the cat out of the bag quite a while ago on this, and it's taken quite a while now for it to begin to be talked about. We're really screwed when the "free press" are among the co-conspirators and propagandists.
This is not what the Framers had in mind.
Our health care system needs a revolution, not a makeover.
by ovals49 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:26:44 AM PDT
and that is precisely why the MSM will NEVER go after this story.
by Tam in CA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:33:09 AM PDT
no matter what the subject need to be disclosed as to where, how, they got expertise and any conflicts they might have to making an impartial judgment. Some of the financial shows disclose what interest their spokesmen have in stocks. Such type disclosure should be a universal practice.
by edbb on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:23:18 AM PDT
... stems from 24/7 news-for-profit which encourages recurring segments on MSM TV in which the salaried anchors, analysts and correspondents just interview each other, with occasional cameos by retired politicians and back-room nobodies.
In the days of broadcast half-an-hour-each-day-at-6:30PM news, when news was run as a public service money-loser rather than a network profit center, there was much greater incentive to shake down newsmakers and try to "scoop" the other networks. These days, it's both easier and better business sense to keep the corporate-friendly echo chamber going while pulling in advertiser dollars. And why pay extra to get bona fide experts on when you've got a whole cast of supposedly knowledgeable anchor-pundits already under contract?
by dzog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:43:39 PM PDT
Every night of Matthews or Olbermann include just about the same casts of know-it-alls beating to death the latest political gossip. These guys seem to actually work at avoiding substantive news on issues.
by edbb on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:21:52 PM PDT
And that makes up a "news" show. It's sort of incestuous.
The other problem: people have their favorite news channel where they can be sure to hear their own opinion repeated over and over.
If there was a Fairness Doctrine, every channel would have to mix it up a little and viewers would be exposed to a range of opinions.
by maxzj05 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:53:18 PM PDT
The sad truth is that we have No idea what is really going on.....and those without the use of computers have even less. Of course, they are blissfully unaware(ignorant, if you will) so some days I envy them greatly. One more shock, one more horror, one more exposure that gets no traction in the press...how much can we stand?
by gdwtch52 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:14:19 AM PDT
With you citing Greenwald citing others it gets confusing. Thanks. Keep up the important work.
Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.
by Yellow Canary on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:30:19 AM PDT
media is because Media itself was involved in this scheme. They knew (of course) that generals with so much knowledge had to be plants by the Pentagon...but they didn't care. They just wanted their 'situation rooms' and 'command centers' to be as convincingly official as CentCom looked (no, not the multi-million dollar staged one we built in Bahrain or some such place for the Iraq war) when pressers were given there.
Hey, if they could embed reporters with the military, why couldn't the military embed operatives within the media?
And now they're embarrassed as the pentagon is that this information has surfaced...so they ignore it.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by darthstar on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:45:22 AM PDT
working closely with the military using propaganda to control what the citizens of a nation know with regard to starting and maintaining an illegal war.
Hmm, sounds familiar...
Contact Pelosi about impeachment: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
by Pescadero Bill on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:05:22 AM PDT
...SPINCOM, and it is the worst act of propaganda aimed at the American people in at least half a century.
It is really important that we continue to hammer on this story. As others have said, the press will resist covering it because they would be indicting themselves if they do. But constant pressure can force certain segments of the media to act responsibly. And once the ball gets rolling on this, the rest will not be able to ignore it.
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by KingOneEye on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:25:08 AM PDT
DOD abreviations are usually the first three letters of the command's official title. So Spin Command would be SPICOM. Very appropriate.
"It's supposed to be automatic, but actually you have to push this button." John Brunner, Stand on Zanzibar
by Orinoco on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:22:58 AM PDT
The media caved way back when the BushCo (or even before, I don't know) threatened to take them out of the loop on run of the mill everyday information.
They didn't squawk when this happened and "went along to get along" so long ago that they can't even remember it happening. Who knows when this happened first or, in a more prevalent and debilitating kind of way. Was it when they went along with the "magic bullet" theory? Was it when they didn't investigate the "Brooks Brother riot"? Maybe it happened when the press didn't walk out of the President Reagan press conference when he said that the homeless wanted to be homeless. Instead, they just wrote it down.
It's kind of like an old whore who's been getting money for sex for so long that she doesn't even remember anything like virtue or love. The words no longer have any meaning to her.
Helen Thomas is the last reporter to come anywhere near calling "bullshite" on these people. Sad.
by Flywheel Grinding on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:25:28 AM PDT
Look out Bush! Look out Pentagon! Look out Lapdog Media!
The Sternly Worded Letters are gonna steamroll you into submission!!! You're sooo gonna wish you were never born! Our Democratic leaders in Congress are ALL over this, and they are gonna scare you like you've never been scared in your life with probably not just one, but even TWO SWLs!
Woe to you who shall receive thy dreaded SWLs.
Lawrence, KS - From ashes to immortality
by MisterOpus1 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:44:55 AM PDT
I posted the following message last night in Meteor Blades' diary about this story, and sent a similar note to John Kerry last week.
What I'm wondering is whether a meaningful portion of the $300 million DoD foreign propaganda program has found its way into domestic message production, with the generals being a part of that paid effort...
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The preponderance of silence from all major corporate media quarters save TimesCo may be circumstantial evidence of their conspiracy and legal jeopardy.
I would conject the following possibility -- the Department of Defense contracted out $300 million worth of so-called foreign propaganda in June 2005. Matt Kelley of USA Today wrote back-to-back articles on these contracts six months later, on December 13 and December 14, 2005. The first article was titled "3 groups have contracts for pro-U.S. propaganda", and the second was titled "Pentagon rolls out stealth PR".
Kelley gets to the nub of the media owners' legal jeopardy in para. 11 of the second article.
It's legal for the government to plant propaganda in other countries but not in the USA. The White House referred requests for comment about the contracts to the Pentagon, where officials did not respond.
There are shared personalities and timelines between Kelley's propaganda stories and the New York Times' revelations of two weeks ago. The late Gen. Wayne Dowling, for example, was intimately tied with SAIC, one of the three contracted out by DoD for the propaganda program.
Lincoln, which Maryland records show was created in January 2004 as Iraqex, had no experience in public relations, advertising or other media work. Adler says the firm went to Iraq to work with Iraqi businesses and did its first "strategic communications" work at the request of U.S. commanders. One of Lincoln Group's founders, a native Briton named Christian Bailey, had been a co-chairman of a political group aligned with the Republican Party called Lead 21. Adler says Bailey did not use his political ties to get government contracts. SAIC is one of the nation's larger defense contractors. It had more than $7 billion in revenue last year. Until July, one of its directors was retired Army general Wayne Downing, a former head of Special Operations Command. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has asked Downing to assess Special Operations Command and suggest possible improvements.
Lincoln, which Maryland records show was created in January 2004 as Iraqex, had no experience in public relations, advertising or other media work. Adler says the firm went to Iraq to work with Iraqi businesses and did its first "strategic communications" work at the request of U.S. commanders.
One of Lincoln Group's founders, a native Briton named Christian Bailey, had been a co-chairman of a political group aligned with the Republican Party called Lead 21. Adler says Bailey did not use his political ties to get government contracts.
SAIC is one of the nation's larger defense contractors. It had more than $7 billion in revenue last year.
Until July, one of its directors was retired Army general Wayne Downing, a former head of Special Operations Command. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has asked Downing to assess Special Operations Command and suggest possible improvements.
Now, needless to say, $300 million is one helluva lot of money to be sloshing around in the pockets of three defense contractors with demonstrable ties to the Bush political shop who were at best subject to Vegas-style oversight. Pamphlet drops in Warziristan don't cost $300 million. You need to pay this kind of dough to institutions that demand this kind of dough. You know, media companies, like, say, General Electric, NewsCorp, CBSCorp, Disney, and Time/Warner.
If any of this $300 million found its way into US or foreign accounts controlled by these five multinationals for purposes of disseminating propaganda directly to US communication channels, I think that's illegal. And IANAL, but if these companies knew of the arrangement (or as in the case of the telcos, were explicitly asked to violate the law for national security reasons like sustaining public favor for flagging war effort), they would be in legal jeopardy.
I want to put this out to the community, since this kind of research has "hive" written all over it -- read Matt Kelley's two articles linked above, and collate names, dates and conicidences with the New York Times piece. It may be a first step toward demonstrating a broad pattern of law-breaking.
[As a sidebar, I would just point out that James Risen published his story just a week after Kelley about the telecom side of the US information industry violating the law by "snaring US calls". This, we should remember, was after Keller and Sulzberger sat on it for a year, forcing Risen to publish "State of War". New kind of war, indeed.]
Show of hands... who would join Kucinich's effort to impeach VP Cheney?
by Mogolori on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:03:21 AM PDT
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