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Talk about dirty tricks! Wow, no wonder he's Obama's campaign chair in Tennessee. I don't think I'd be able to support someone who said they'd cut my legs off, politically or otherwise. And I'd think that behavior is precisely why so many are afraid to commit: They don't want to go to war with the Clintons.
"Never, never, NEVER give up!" --Winston Churchill
by rioduran on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:13:22 PM PDT
I certainly can't say I'm surprised at the reaction of the Clinton's in all of that. Thanks for the diary.
New quote under construction.
by turneresq on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:22:26 PM PDT
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..do not shock me anymore.
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16
by Setrak on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:24:43 PM PDT
http://www.freejohnwalker.net/
by berkelbees on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:48:26 PM PDT
"...hope can find its way back to the darkest of corners" -- Barack Obama, May 6, 2008
by SnowItch on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:55:06 PM PDT
Here is a breakdown of this by Chris Bowers at at OpenLeft.
by C 1 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:43:20 AM PDT
I''m not ascared anymore. There were some great comments in the thread.
The people have the power to redeem the work of fools upon the meek. -Patti Smith
by Sticky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:27:48 AM PDT
Just thought I'd throw a different perspective out there.
by C 1 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:07:23 AM PDT
of what an HRC presidency would look like. An ambitious, high-minded, heavy-handed, and ineffectual failure. Lots of infighting too.
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:10:28 PM PDT
to accept anything that wasn't their idea or that they won't get credit for, no matter how beneficial it would be for the country. That is the absolute LAST thing we need in a president.
She pulls this shit, then she's out on the campaign trail empathizing with people who are uninsured. It's disgusting.
"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by stefanielaine on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:16:18 PM PDT
We had already had six years of unequivocal crap under the Bush administration before Clinton got fire in his belly about something. Turns out it wasn't Bush's misdeeds -- it was the possibility that his reputation might be sullied. So we're treated to his withering excoriations of Chris Wallace's hit job on Fox News, but only after years of Abu Grahib and Valerie Plame and Downing St. Memo and the whole nine yards. That whole time, Bubba gave Bush the benefit of the doubt; he only really got angry when it was his rep on the line.
A Clinton will only go to bat for a Clinton -- or a Clintonite, at least.
Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera
by Dale on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:09:01 PM PDT
It's like when she empathizes with the middle class and then doesn't pay her campaign bills to the small business owners who are left holding the bag.
by not this time on Mon May 12, 2008 at 02:32:21 AM PDT
as someone making 20K myself in a good year, the idea of a millionaire just blowing off small vendors while pretending to be a "woman of the people" is just so 1790, if you know what I mean...
"Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)
by bellatrys on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:18:14 AM PDT
HOPE: It's the new black. And it's WINNING!!
by Samwoman on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:34:17 PM PDT
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:42:17 PM PDT
Ah, damn......
If I had three wishes, one would to be alone one at a time with everyone from FAUX-NEWS for 7 min. in a closet with no retribution.
by fromdabak on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:33:31 PM PDT
When was that again, summer 2005? It was so much fun watching the Republican ship founder before Katrina washed it away.
And Dubai Ports World.... good times....
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:44:56 PM PDT
They wanted it passed in the first hundred days. That's just too unrealistic to credit as a serious effort.
How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.
by hannah on Mon May 12, 2008 at 05:47:59 AM PDT
"The Republican Party is a dead rotting carcass with a few decrepit leaders stumbling around like zombies handcuffed to a corpse." Larry Hunter
by TheWesternSun on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:20:30 PM PDT
for good measure.
Reeeee-pulsive, man, just flat-out VILE.
Barack Obama and the Democratic Party sold out the Constitution for the telcoms. They've lost my vote in 2008. I'm voting Green.
by simca on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:27:07 PM PDT
er, never mind.
I was really thinking more along the lines of Mommy Dearest.
What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:28:02 PM PDT
of her doppelganger, Joe Lieberman.
by simca on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:34:25 PM PDT
when Hillary does that pious "concern" pandering to her audience when she is trying to paint Obama as an out of touch elite -
"I don't think you people are bitter, do you?" (halting applause because no one realizes this is her punch line)
* "If you're going to play the game properly you'd better know every rule." - Barbara Jordan
by jarotra on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:17:14 PM PDT
It's the tone you use speaking to an errant child or a complete dimwit. It's pretty clear that Hillary thinks the voting populace is pretty stupid and manipulable.
by simca on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:57:21 PM PDT
by IngeniousGirl on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:29:28 PM PDT
by simca on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:58:31 PM PDT
is the part that really creep me out.
Welcome Back, Hillary & friends!
by Krum on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:15:21 PM PDT
maybe the Republican's were right about the Clinton's and if Hillary's actions force me to agree with repugs then she is scum.
by defluxion10 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:56:47 PM PDT
I know, right? Agreeing with repugs is repugnant.
by rioduran on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:00:39 PM PDT
that has made me especially pissy this primary season-- the I-told-you-sos from more conservative types who insist that they've always been this nasty and self-serving. I still have to counter with the sheer loathsomeness of Starr, Gingrich, et al, but there's no righteous anger to motivate me any more. And it started with trying to defend Bill during the Monica thing-- yes, she was of legal age, and of course the inquiry itself was illegitimate-- but being a lifelong feminist obligated to defend a powerful middle-aged man for actions we all knew were inappropriate at best, and more likely flat-out wrong, generated a hell of a lot of resentment that's flooding back these days. That's why I vowed to find other hobbies & interests should HRC win; I'm not hopping on that crazy train again just to be forced to squirm miserably for the entire trip.
"Conservative principles" are marketing props used by the Conservative Movement to achieve political power, not actual beliefs. -Glenn Greenwald
by latts on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:10:04 PM PDT
Back when I was trying to make up my mind about which candidate to back, my decision process came down to a simple question. If, ultimately, the policies of all the candidates were pretty similar, who was the most likely to actually get their policy successfully implemented.
My impression, especially from what happened with attempts at health care reform, was that Hillary was indeed a fighter. The trouble was that she seemed to see value in the fight itself. That she was arrogant, and that she would accept only a pure version of the legislation as designed by her. Therefore, in the long run, she'd likely hit resistance among the GOP and even within her own party as president.
I picked Obama because he is somebody who knows how to work the system and bring people to his way of thinking. He can align himself with a seeming enemy on a position of common interest to get things done. At the end of the day, even if Congress is dominated by Democrats, there will still be blue dogs, endless egos, and plenty of opposition to be had if you don't play your cards right.
--- Photography, Politics, and Chicago
by sterno on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:16:41 AM PDT
of his ability to bring sides together was during his questioning of Petreaus and Crocker. It was the first time I had ever heard anyone talk about a compromise on the end game or what the "victory" in Iraq should look like. He asked about thier opinion of lowering the bar, making the winning scenario more realistic and more achievable. It was inspired (his questioning, not thier answers which were like a deer in the headlights). This is what his presidency will be about - common sense answers instead of hubris.
This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.
by Batbird on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:38:59 AM PDT
Is a life and death issue tend to be supporting Senator Obama for a reason. His plan is better. His approach is better. And he might actually be able to achieve it. Hillary had her chance and failed, spectacularly.
Obama/Casey, my personal dream ticket.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:09:40 PM PDT
with Congress. And I don't want it to, either. I'm far more confident that Obama will sit down with Congress and create something that actually works than Hillary. Judging from her track record she'd probably.... well, we all know how that fiasco ended.
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:22:13 PM PDT
discussed PUBLICLY. Sunlight is badly needed in order to produce the best possible plan.
"We the People of the United States..." -U.S.Constitution
by elwior on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:35:30 PM PDT
And, if anything, Clinton is more paranoid and secretive than she was back in 1994.
by metal prophet on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:40:52 PM PDT
We not only need to rid ourselves of old and repugnant republicans, we are also way overdue for a fresh set of Democrats. I'm confident that Obama is smart enough to bring in the best and the brightest and not be seduced by the well connected like the Clintons would be and have been in the past.
I don't want to see Hillary claiming ownership to any part of a national health plan In Obama's administration. The only attribute she has demonstrated during this campaign is the need to be deeply marginalized, certainly not rewarded.
There has to be an invisible sun / That gives us hope when the whole day's done -Police
by rightiswrong on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:48:14 PM PDT
...the last thing you want her to do is take her ball and go home. Obama has to be careful not to alienate some mass of her supporters, and the only way to do that may be to throw her a bone.
message to the future
by CharlieHipHop on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:07:23 AM PDT
being an obstructionist with anything she may be given. I can imagine her holding something up in the senate, for instance, if it doesn't feature her prominently.
by rightiswrong on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:03:06 AM PDT
We just have to elect more and better Democrats to Congress and pressure them. And then, when 41 Republican Senators vote against cloture, make them actually stand up and filibuster against sensible health care reform in front of everyone. And then do it again. And again. Until the entire nation hates all 41 of them for being so stubbornly, stupidly dogmatic. Until they're actually getting death threats for hurting the People.
I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.
by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:18:57 PM PDT
Eliminationist rhetoric is a slippery slope.
Say it loud, say it proud: "I'm voting for the black guy!"
by ruleoflaw on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:26:37 PM PDT
by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:28:53 PM PDT
However, humans and human society aren't completely logical things.
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:54:56 PM PDT
