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I lived in North Carolina for almost 20 years. Every election cycle our hopes were high - Only to be disappointed again and again.
Remember, Jesse Helms was a NC senator as recently as 2003. Twice people thought that Harvey Gantt could beat him. The Democrats discussed whether NC would end up in the Dem column - In 1992, in 1996, in 2000, in 2004. And in 2004 Edwards was even on the ticket. Still, no dice.
Obama is not John Lewis. Even if there is no racialized voting, many North Carolinians will see him as just another Yankee Democrat.
If I had to bet on change - change in the electoral college - I'd start with Colorado and Nevada. I'd work to be sure the Upper Midwest isn't wavering. (Kerry won Wisconsin by only .4%, Gore by .5%) Missouri is a good candidate.
And, despite all the naysayers, the Dems should never ignore Ohio and Florida. If we win those two states, it is almost impossible for the Goppers to construct any winning electoral college scenario.
But North Carolina? I'd focus on the senate race. Now, that has possibilities.
by johnnygunn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:57:38 PM PDT
If you assume the present status of a place is just like its history, you're going to have a pretty f'ed up view of American politics--most notably, the Clinton camp's view.
NC is going to be hard, but it's within reach. Registration is going to be the main factor there. The combination of a very large African-American population (disproportionately unregistered, but easily energized this year), a newfound college-educated upper-middle class, and a large, liberal university base means that the state is ripe for picking, even if it's not a low-hanging fruit.
OH and FL are anybody's guess, and they'll be battleground states. But for once, we've got a setup in which we can lose both of them and still win, if only by a dozen or two delegates. See the latest matchup composite polls.
by fearwig on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:11:11 PM PDT
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That's what you say - although your fist sentence ins't very cordial. But I lived there and heard your second paragraph year after year. Don't forget, Kellie Pickler probably got more votes from North Carolinians than Kerry did.
by johnnygunn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:22:02 PM PDT
be inferred from the content of a sentence, not its phrasing. Look: It's a completely backwards view of the political scene, sure--but it's also a really common one, the traditional one, even. I'm not here to insult you, I'm talking about the ideas in question--let's just keep it that way.
But I lived there and heard your second paragraph year after year.
That doesn't invalidate it unless, again, you believe that just because something has happened a dozen times one way means that it necessarily will again, even when the context continues to change. Conventional wisdom may be conventional, sure, but ain't always a type of smarts.
If you don't recognize the atmospheric difference between 1990-2000 NC and 2008 NC, I admit you may have lived there--past tense--but I have trouble believing you've been through the Piedmont or coast recently. The demographics and the economics have been turned on their head in large swaths of the state, and it's looking a lot like northern Virginia, which is solidly Democratic. Obama may have better odds in VA and NC than in FL, strangely. There is the chance he may win all of the above, sure, but looking at the national matchup composites it's pretty clear he doesn't have to win all the classic swing states to pull this off, if only because so many new states come into play. That's pretty reassuring.
by fearwig on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:24:27 PM PDT
Says Mr. 538
A second poll out of VA shows the same margin, with BO down only 3.
Know hope...
"The more I wish him the most gruesome deaths, the more he haunts me" - Kinski on Herzog, but somehow newly relevant.
by oxman on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:37:21 PM PDT
Probably impossible due to vote suppression.
In OH however the vote is now run by Democrats.
So unless vote tallying is remote hackable, or has built-in flipping subroutines, the reported tally is probably going to be more representative of the people who stepped into the voting booths than the past few elections have been.
We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"
by Gooserock on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:54:27 PM PDT
because of demographics. He happens to be relatively weak among seniors and Latinos compared to McCain. If he can't turn that around, he loses Florida.
John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:18:23 PM PDT
wide narrow
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