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Man, even she should see the writing on the wall now, since she was touting SNL not long ago.
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
- Albert Einstein
by Walt starr on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:12:07 AM PDT
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After watching Cronkite's broadcast, LBJ was quoted as saying. "That's it. If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
Think about it......>;)
I'd rather be unhappy with President Obama than with President McCain.
by kestrel9000 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:18:00 AM PDT
is a sad commentary on our media, IMO.
"What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson
by vawolf on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:51:28 AM PDT
keeping balance than most of the news media.
I think the whole SNL thing was misinterpreted by most people some weeks ago. SNL never was in the tank for Hillary; it's just that Amy Poehler had been mocking HRC week after week, month after month with no corresponding Obama parody, so when Tina Fey returned to the show to host, the women felt that SNL's treatment of the race needed more balance. I don't think they had any idea how that one episode, given its timing, would impact the race and change the media coverage to stack the deck against HRC's opponent; it appears they are taking some responsibility for that with this newest episode. Good for them.
(And let's face it, all politics aside, the brilliant Amy Poehler's take on Hillary is about a thousand times funnier than the usually humorous Fred Armisen's awful Obama impression that sounds nothing like him in voice, cadence, or speech patterns.)
Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.
by ShadowSD on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:25:04 AM PDT
Might have been kos or one of the other front page diarists who recently said we've moved beyond parody into surrealism.
But what other assessment makes sense when The Daily Show has become a better source for news and analysis than the major media outlet claiming to be fair and balanced. Particularly when the others are completely focused on pandering to the least informed viewers in an endless competition for audience share.
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:37:10 AM PDT
zombie news, for the brain dead.
What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:50:02 AM PDT
Can't blame them really. Just a business decision.
by Rick Winrod on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:13:54 AM PDT
have been reputed to say? "No offense; just business."
(I saw "The Godfather." I know these things.)
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:26:38 AM PDT
that the typical SNL viewer dislikes Hillary, and was thus tuning out because SNL was cutting Hillary way too much positive slack.
I certainly tuned out.
Lorne Michaels does not want to have SNL go down the toilet with Hillary.
by BonzoDogBand on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:53:29 AM PDT
And there was nothing wrong with that when they first gave her a national stage. But let's face it by anyones standard she went very negative and more importantly the voters she was courting; uneducated; racist, fearful old people, beltway faithful.
Those groups probably aren't the people that the advertisers know and want to reach out to. They advertisers know full well the demographics of the SNL audience.
The insecure uneducated slightly racist factory worker; or the old folks who don't want anything to change - those aren't big SNL auidiences.
So I"m happy to see this pretty balsy indictment of HRC. They really didn't pull any punches there.
by puffy66 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:11:19 PM PDT
He summed up her her supports by calling them un-educated, thats something that is missed in all of the race discussion.
"Invest In America, Instead of Iraq. Vote Democratic"
by manumit on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:17:04 PM PDT
over sixty, blue collar, white bowlers.
Advertisers could have told Lorne Michaels/NBC to get with the program.
by BonzoDogBand on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:02:38 PM PDT
"mobile deceased" news
Rec for the first to get the reference...
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by Slartibartfast on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:41:19 AM PDT
by kalmoth on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:57:42 PM PDT
by Slartibartfast on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:22:57 PM PDT
by kalmoth on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:57:58 PM PDT
Corporate media has pushed the limit of irresponsibility.
The real question: Is Freedom of the Press confined to news - the responsible reportage of government and activities of this nation - or is the news function lost in the ambiguity of entertainment?
That raises another question: Does entertainment fall under Freedom of the Press?
My answer is "No, entertainment does not."
The functions should be split apart forever.
"But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj
by walkshills on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:55:23 AM PDT
and head over to TalkLeft, where several commenters are trying to argue that it was intended as a parody of the MSM's depiction of Hillary ... and that the actress just couldn't pull off the subtlety ...
Let us realize: the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. -MLK
by eustiscg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:46:12 AM PDT
Have enjoyed lurking in Hillaryland. Talkleft, Hillaryis44, TaylorMarsh, etc. It's all quite funny. The angst. The complete and utter denial of reality. No hazmat suit needed. Just don't the koolaid.
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:29:56 AM PDT
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:30:37 AM PDT
I belong to no organized political party, I'm a Democrat. -Will Rogers
by geez53 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:16:27 AM PDT
Bush & McCain - as inseparable as Shit & Stink.
by Celtic Merlin on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:39:57 AM PDT
is just about as funny as the clip:
_______________________________ Healing the universe is an inside job.
by spotDawa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:49:26 AM PDT
Katie has a half-pitying look of horror as she does the follow-up Q on Hillary's delusional answer.
by Timothy J on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:57:59 PM PDT
interventions tend to go. As in, not well...
by spotDawa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:09:18 PM PDT
Lawd, I can't go back there, indiana wants me, lawd, I can't go back there.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:30:47 AM PDT
R. Dean Taylor. Have no idea where he is now.
Oh, and don't call me Shirley. ;-)
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by snookybeh on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:03:16 AM PDT
I was told that I didn't have to be pro-Clinton to post there. My last post, I believe, was one in which I responded when someone claimed that it was a dirty lie that BClinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show. The claim was that someone was imitating BC's voice as a joke and that Obama supporters bought into it.
Responding with the truth to that line, and to some other pieces of misinformation about Sens. Obama and Clinton led to me not being able to access the comments... Eh, I think I'll live ;)
Not only is another world possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing. Arundhati Roy
by Denni on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:18:43 PM PDT
I have no desire whatsoever to engage the dead enders. I just enjoy lurking and observing, often with sheer dumbstruck awe, the things some people believe.
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:28:05 PM PDT
and work.
Journalism SHOULD.
by TBarta on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:18:38 AM PDT
Jon Stewart is every bit as informed and savvy as any talking head or newscaster. The difference is, he makes explicit every criticism and snipe that the talking heads try to sneak into their commentary. This means he delivers commentary that is similar in content but far more straight-forward and honest in style, which makes him seem like a straight-talker instead of some party's underhanded stooge.
Crescat scientia; vita excolatur
by AxmxZ on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:24:51 AM PDT
you need to know at least something about the news in order to get most of the jokes on the show. All the people lamenting the fact that "young people get their news from the daily show" ignore that on the whole young people are more informed because of the internet. The show would be 80% unintelligible if you didn't have background knowledge about the world.
by nwodtuhs on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:39:04 AM PDT
"A journalism think tank studying "The Daily Show" doesn't believe many people get their news from Jon Stewart - because otherwise they wouldn't get the jokes.
The Project for Excellence in Journalism also said it was surprised at how much the Comedy Central late-night program resembles "The O'Reilly Factor," "Hardball" and other cable news shows in content."
http://www.newser.com/...
by AxmxZ on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:17:14 AM PDT
I would say that Jon Stewart is almost exactly analogous to a Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. He offers almost the same kind of commentary to promote left-wing causes as they do to promote right-wing causes. They try as hard to be funny as Stewart and Stewart is as much of an informer and advocate as they are.
The main difference being that they claim to be serious analysts and Stewart does not.
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by Drunkard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:12:35 PM PDT
McCain's speaking style: Like a bad Andy Rooney impersonator, except not that good.
by edg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:51:22 PM PDT
In fact, they try to make their shows as funny as possible, like Stewart.
Stewart is just more talented and he is also classy and avoids attacking regular people, unlike Limbaugh and O'Reilly.
by Drunkard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:50:44 PM PDT
the faux southern accent she started sporting post PA.... if you listen to Hillary in recent weeks, she sounds like she has a south alabama southern drawl. you know the scarlet o'hara yaaaa'll accent.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!
by wargolem on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:31:48 AM PDT
one day I was about to slaughter a hog out back the way we done it in Arkansas and this snooty White House butler ran out and said, "Madam, you can't kill a hog on the White House lawn." And you know what I said? I said, "Who in hell do you think you're talking to? I ain't no madam. I'm Hillary. Just Hillary." And you know what? That snooty butler held the pig for me and we done what we did and that was some good eating."
Greed makes a really shitty foundation for a civilization to build itself upon.
by Red Bean on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:05:31 AM PDT
Scranton , Chicago, Arkansas... wtf where the hell is she from if you listen to her she keeps talking about when she was a little girl and it is like no matter where she is, she says she was raised there.
by wargolem on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:09:06 AM PDT
You know, where all the good, hardworking, uneducated white people sip Crown Royal from a shot glass.
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:33:21 PM PDT
But she nails certain affects of HRC's speaking style and presentation that make it work. Armisan's Obama, with all the odd pauses, sounded like he had a brain injury.
by ShadowSD on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:05:41 AM PDT
who will imitate him, and what characteristics could they use?
Then again, I'm not a comic, so what do I know?
Barack Obama for President '08
by v2aggie2 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:16:03 PM PDT
by edg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:56:15 PM PDT
He scratches his nose and his face quite often.
Dems in 2008: An embarassment of riches. Repubs in 2008: Embarassments.
by Yamaneko2 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:03:57 PM PDT
It was on teevee and everything!
/snark
by edg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:39:33 PM PDT
are pretty funny.
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by dsharma23 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:12:12 PM PDT
are the one thing Armisen gets right. Otherwise his impression is horrendous.
"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by stefanielaine on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:59:40 PM PDT
The Obama impersonator on the Leno show, he does a much better job.
We sink or swim together.
by BrighidG on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:02:24 PM PDT
newspapers picked up on it, in local stories just before the primary. There would be a passing reference to something like "a slight southern accent" and "her new accent."
The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips
by Mnemosyne on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:59:51 AM PDT
That was the best political satire I've seen in a long time.
Because all of it was true.
Brilliantly blessed are those who walk with courage through the depths of the own fear, for they will Love from the bottom of their heart.
by Craig Hickman on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:02:12 AM PDT
They filleted her in excruciating detail like a delicate rainbow trout. It's painful to watch. I see hard truths here, but man...
by bethcf4p on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:56:52 AM PDT
by Morgan in Austin on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:17:48 AM PDT
Like The Daily Show and The Colbert Report haven't ripped her a new one on a regular basis?
When you have people cursing you, you can respond. On the other hand, when you're mocked there's no coming back!
A la lanterne les aristos! A mort les aristos!
by johnrhoffman on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:34:56 AM PDT
ridicule = sincerest form of "turn out the lights"
Revolutions never go backwards.
by sundancekid11 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:02:53 AM PDT
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the next President of the United States: Hillary Clinton."
Ha, ha, that's a good one. Whoops!
by spotDawa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:17:53 AM PDT
From the Tuzla days, my mockery diary:fyi here
"Let every man be respected as an individual and no man idolized" - Einstein
by post partisan in Cali on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:36:10 PM PDT
Mike Huckabee held up better than Hillary Clinton.
I think he came out of the race better off than he was when he started. Hillary is dead now.
by drizek on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:50:39 PM PDT
If he wasn't such a right-wing wacko, I'd support him for public office.
by edg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:57:57 PM PDT
And a defender of Obama in the Wright flap -- who'da thunk?
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by ETF on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:59:22 PM PDT
of perfect integrity and excellent character. With some totally whacked-out ideas.
by 2ajpuu on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:37:14 PM PDT
Walter for this generation (actually, I was under the impression Russert has been given that that crown which is fairly sad in itself), I can't imagine that as SNL goes the country goes.
Just based on the sheer number of choices available in TV today I think those days of how someone goes the country goes are pretty much gone.
I remember a time as a child when there were probably a TOTAL of 11-14 channels: three networks, PBS, and perhaps 7-10 UHF channels (afternoon cartoons, oh yeah). We didn't get cable until I was in my mid- teens and it was probably an awesomely staggering 35-40 channels.
OT-If this is an indication of the quality of SNL skits I can see I'm not missing much. I'll take Colbert & Stewart, thanks.
News Pundits - The Dopplerless weathermen of our time. Jon Stewart
by mentaldebris on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:28:14 AM PDT
I grew up in Detroit. There were 3 networks + Canadian broadcasting + channel 50 (UHF) which showed old movies and cartoons. Maybe one or two more I don't remember, but 5 to 7 was about it in the 60s and 70s.
by edg on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:00:27 PM PDT
The earliest I remember is 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, 26, 32, 44 and 50; 50 was PBS serving NW Indiana and run by Lake Central Schools. 44 was afternoon cartoons and then scrambled broadcasting.
by Yamaneko2 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:06:54 PM PDT
it's just too bad that so many people seem to agree with his assessment of himself. I shouldn't be surprised, though. That's the Village.
A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
by dougymi on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:37:59 PM PDT
Colbert got the Peabody Award this year, TDS last. Not bad for "fake news" shows.
And it hasn't been that long since a survey of viewers' knowledge of news issues showed that TDS consistently did a better job of informing its viewers than did any traditional media news program.
Who are the real purveyors of "fake news"?
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by alizard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:12:42 PM PDT
Jabberwonk! Reality Based Liberal Link Dump
by Jimmy Crackcorn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:53:54 AM PDT
it's more like...um...TRUE. SNL was just speaking what every one is thinking and writing...good for them
"We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson
by mayan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:01:42 AM PDT
is to political parody. Clinton has parodied herself!
by phrogge prince on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:03:34 AM PDT
with Bush's post-parody ethos. We apparnetly are blessed to live in a post-ironic age.
by mayan on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:20:32 AM PDT
I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.
by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:22:51 AM PDT
Kind of tells us how well the MSM is doing its job.
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by Alden on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:28:12 AM PDT
it was so true that it was not funny!
by foufou on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:03:08 AM PDT
she brought up SNL during a national debate and now it comes back to bite her
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by Deoliver47 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:18:05 AM PDT
I am not applauding SNL. They were so PRO-Clinton and now realize she is a LOSER, so they are just trying to get into the good graces of the Obama peope. How OBVIOUS. I am never watching that show again after their attempts to prop up the losing Clinton campaign.
by Bizzaroworld on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:46:02 AM PDT
that Lorne Michaels really cares what the campaigns think of SNL.
I say Billings, be careful with that missile!
by Chairman Bob on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:58:03 AM PDT
I didn't take that from SNL's various skits at all. They didn't seem particularly "pro-Clinton" to me, but different people see things differently I suppose.
by snookybeh on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:09:26 AM PDT
linky
by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:24:55 AM PDT
in this case, although "Rashomon effect" more or less works, too.
by snookybeh on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:57:03 AM PDT
It was the most true thing I've seen on a television screen in MONTHS.
Onward to the Mountaintop!
by NWTerriD on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:23:53 AM PDT
But I still laughed because I'm so mad at Hillary and enjoy seeing her stomped on on tv.
by Drunkard on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:14:59 PM PDT
That she could scream into?
"We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans." -- Barack Obama
by jhutson on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:02:32 AM PDT
by Jimmy Crackcorn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:25:25 AM PDT
