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Here is what I have learned about the Clintons through this race (and now in retrospect, about them in the past):
They plan from one immediate need to the next, and no farther. They lurch from petty political goal to the next political goal. Sometimes those goals don't last a week.
I used to think that she was squandering the black vote because, in her arrogance, she figured they'd just fall in line like any good machine candidate would think. But I've nuanced that opinion: she didn't think that far ahead. She'd figure she'd worry about it later. She'd pander to blacks later. she'd make promises later. She'd forget what offenses she had caused, and swat those pesky offenses away like flies.
The Clintons are psychologically incapable of strategizing, assessing consequences, weighing choices that might offend or set off anyone who isn't in their immediate sights.
Do we want a Commander-in-Chief who thinks like that? Oh, wait -- we have one now........
The Republican meme -- the Clintons will do anything to win. Man, I defended the Clintons against such a horrendous attack for 16 God damn years. If you people would just stop picking on them, they'd do great things.
Well, in light of this campaign, I get it now. Anything. Offend, demean, insult anyone -- even an obviously good man who is your Democratic rival and all of his supporters. I'm a traitor, by the way: I'm white, 58 years old and a feminist, so I must be a traitor because I don't blindly follow the candidate who is using the most egregious affirmative action there is: the Clinton name.
It's lizard-brain-ish: just attack what's in front of you and get that threat out of the way, by any means necessary.
I've lived through 8 nightmarish years of Bush. I won't accept that from a Democrat. And I certainly won't accept it from a Clinton.
They should know better.
by 57andFemale on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:29:56 AM PDT
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You made a similar point in your post so I think you'll agree, but just to reiterate:
That could have been a paragraph from John DiIulio's description of the Bush administration as "Mayberry Machiavellis", where he described the Bush administration as being only political with absolutely zero policy apparatus, every decision that was made by the Bush administration was made by the political arm, i.e., Karl Rove, and had zero basis in any kind of policy.
Sadly, I remember the Clinton years and how concerned Bill Clinton was about policy, he had wonks working out policy around the clock, which to me really showed the difference between Democrats and Republicans, Democrats took the job of governing seriously where Republicans don't seek office for the purpose of governing, they seek office to fulfill their ideology by destroying government from within, all while looting the treasury for their already obscenely wealthy cronies.
But when you look at Clinton's campaign, it looks a lot close to me to the Bush model than it does to her own husband's.
by democracy inaction on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:45:37 AM PDT
It started with, "Hey, I'm here, I'm running, so I win." and very little policy, politics (with a big P) or planning.
I still chortle when I recall Hillary claiming, "this will all be over by Feb. 6"
What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:02:39 AM PDT
It truly was over by Feb. 6 -- the hand was already writing on the wall. Obama has always led in pledged delegates, from day one, and Feb. 6 he took an insurmountable lead.
"We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans." -- Barack Obama
by jhutson on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:07:02 AM PDT
Yes, but plenty of PANDERING
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:42:54 AM PDT
results in pun-nishment.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:53:20 AM PDT
Living Overseas? Get your absentee ballot: http://www.votefromabroad.org
by beijingbetty on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:32:01 AM PDT
and no one told them that the world has changed. literally changed!
by summersky on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:14:37 AM PDT
they weren't in touch enough to figure it out for themselves.
Onward to the Mountaintop!
by NWTerriD on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:30:10 AM PDT
The Mayberry Machiavellis have only political ideology and little policy interest, acumen, or apparatus; but they doggedly cling to that ideology as a fixed strategy, even in the face of incompliant facts and reality. That is different than the Clintons' willingness to trade off strategy and principles for short-term, tactical gains.
by Foodle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:03:53 AM PDT
However, what you're missing (or at least failing to state) is that -- in their willingness to trade off strategy and principles for short-term, tactical gains -- the Clintons have unmasked themselves as being equally unprincipled (or at least in the same ballpark) as the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove cabal.
by Parallax857 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:47:39 AM PDT
I think the Clintons are less principled than Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, et al, in that the Clintons often seem to have no principles or goals beyond holding onto power, whereas the Bushies have principles and goals, albeit the wrong principles and strategic goals, that they are willing to sell with whatever line or lie works.
by Foodle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:14:42 AM PDT
when bush took office (literally) he came in saying he would do some things. Of course, EVERY GOP president said the same things, and each and every one of them tempered their views, seasoning it with reality. It happened to Bush1, Reagan, Ford, and Nixon. So, naturally, no one believed that he would set out and destroy America.
And when he did, he shocked some people (like me) and by the time the Democrats figured it out, the storm troopers in Congress and the Senate were in fool control.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:35:51 AM PDT
in fool control.
Democrats promote the Common good. Republicans promote Corporate greed.
by murasaki on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:22:53 AM PDT
We were lucky to have bush in office, not someone even more dangerous.
by agnostic on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:25:18 AM PDT
...trying to out-do the Clinton's. Here we are at it logical end.
By the end of the 1990's, I was so demoralized with the Democrats that I voted for Nader. It wasn't until Howie Dean's campaign in 2004 that I started to recognize Democrats as being, well, Democrats
You Sacrifice the Thing You Love the Most. I Love My Guitar - Jimi Hendrix
by jds1978 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:16:52 AM PDT
across that "political" is equated with "power."
Political in their lexicon has nothing to do with the interest and concerns of the 'polis"--i.e. the public. It's the same kind of re-definition that leads to the equation of "family values" in the Republican lexicon with "patriarchal domination."
How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.
by hannah on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:26:27 AM PDT
Bush and the Rs are Romans without the brains.
The Romans were tough mofos, and they knew how to wage wars and win.
Bush is a pale imitation of that from Rome's decadent decline - a roly poly evil little pastry-faced doll with raisin eyes who enjoys military dressing up games, as long as everyone does what he says and no one hurts him.
Hillary is a symptom of the same decline - a politician with nothing to offer who thinks she should have the top job just because she wants it.
"Be kind" - is that a religion?
by ThatBritGuy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:46:06 AM PDT
allowed politicians to be powerful.
These people are supposed to be public servants...but they have become deciders.
That means they don't represent our decisions. They force theirs onto us. They make decisions for us and somehow our hands have been tied.
When did they become more powerful than the people?
I guess we weren't paying enough attention.
Just my opinion.
If it doesn't lead to your happiness, don't do it.
by magicsister on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:20:54 AM PDT
That's why the "deciders" are losing.
I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.
by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:38:05 AM PDT
...there the difference ends.
The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana
by Bobjack23 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:41:22 AM PDT
It took a Governor.
Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred. Masel4Senate 1214 E. Mifflin, Madison, WI 53703
by ben masel on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:51:11 AM PDT
they are two different things. Everyone campaigns week to week and the message changes depending on what part of the country you are trying to appeal to. The Clintons' biggest faiure was strategic: they failed to take Obama seriously as a contender and did not plan for the election to be anything other than a short-lived coronation. They were not expecting to have to fight and when they did have to, were unprepared and already in the position of the underdog.
You must be the change you want to see in the world. - Mahatma Gandhi
by fetalposition on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:59:15 PM PDT
They certainly have shown their true colors in the last 6 mos. The clues were there all along, even before he was elected president. We just didn't want to see acknowledge them.
by Heart of the Rockies on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:47:34 AM PDT
Those of us who worked on the Jerry Brown campaign back in 1992 got to see this aspect of the Clintons in full bloom way back then. that's why I reregistered as an independent way back then. Moreover, in the eight years of the Clinton presidency, they imposed their political DNA on the entire party, and we can see Clintonism vigorously dominating the Democratic congress today, which is what has made it worthless as a vehicle for achieving progressive goals. Perhaps some day the Democrats will cleanse themselves of the petty and reactionary opportunism that the Clintons succeeded in getting the Democrats to define themselves as the party of, but I don't see it happening in what's left of my lifetime. It has been run in very deep indeed.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow
by ActivistGuy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:31:39 AM PDT
that the same people who were excoriating me a few months ago for expressing my long-held opinion that Hillary Clinton is walking ambition, pure power-seeking, with absolutely no ethics or intgrity, are now disocovering this truth for themselves.
Apologies will be gladly and graciously accepted.
by NWTerriD on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:36:14 AM PDT
Heck, I wasn't even on the site a few months ago. But I've had to eat crow and apologize to a few friends that I argued with up and down in favor of the Clinton's. The really sad part was that I didn't always believe what I was arguing. I just felt I had to because I didn't want any Republican putting down a Democrat. Ah, to finally be free of the burden.
It ain't what you call me, it's what I answer to.
by Change Is Coming on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:38:11 PM PDT
No, the Clintons are capable of strategizing; they're just not very good at it. And they are willing to cast aside strategy and principles for almost any limited, tactical, expedient advantage -- figuring that future craftiness will make up for any negative consequences of their current, expedient tactics.
by Foodle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:57:25 AM PDT
And, do not play chess.
McCain's daily Gaffe is a laugh a day.
by redtex on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:23:31 AM PDT
at which I understand Obama is reasonably good.
Talk of the Town item from the New Yorker
Tikkun Olam...Obama '08
by tethys on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:20:06 AM PDT
as I understand it, requires a good sense of strategy, timing and the ability to bide one's time. So, yes, I can see Obama being good at that game, too.
The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips
by Mnemosyne on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:04:44 AM PDT
A couple of months ago, either Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert had on a Harvard professor who had written a book about poker, and teaches the game in his course on negotiating strategy at Harvard Law School. At the end of the interview, the prof flippantly suggested that we should hold a poker tournament to decide our next President. Seeing the candidates perform under pressure, how smart they are at assessing the strength or weakness of the hand they are played. I thought he made a lot of sense. They could hold a tournament in Vegas, in the same format as all those TV poker shows. It would show us very quickly how smart the candidates really are. My bet would be on Obama to win.
Let's leave a better world for our kids.
by RadicalChristian on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:39:33 AM PDT
I would not assess the capability of a poker player over a single tournament especially a no limit hold 'em tournament.
There is still a significant amount of luck involved. Pocket aces with the third ace on the flop in the hands of a skilled player is still beat by an idiot getting his inside straight on the river.
by Donner on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:07:41 PM PDT
She doesn't think that far ahead (39+ / 0-) Here is what I have learned about the Clintons through this race (and now in retrospect, about them in the past): They plan from one immediate need to the next, and no farther. They lurch from petty political goal to the next political goal. Sometimes those goals don't last a week.
Fantastic observations.
JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.
by chumley on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:31:43 AM PDT
From Newsweek:
"We have a rule in our family," he told CNN in 2005. "Don't look past the next election or you might not get past the next election."
She was so busy running a general election campaign that she failed to see the forest for the trees. Unless she's psychic Sylvia Brown she couldn't forsee that she wasn't going to win.
Then she took Mark Penn's wrong advice as well (via Time Magazine):
As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state's 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. Sitting nearby, veteran Democratic insider Harold M. Ickes, who had helped write those rules, was horrified — and let Penn know it. "How can it possibly be," Ickes asked, "that the much vaunted chief strategist doesn't understand proportional allocation?" And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories. Even now, it can seem as if they don't get it. Both Bill and Hillary have noted plaintively that if Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as Republicans, she'd be the nominee.
For the so-called "smartest woman in the room," she was, in the immortal motto of the television show Survivor, "outplayed, outwitted, and was outlasted" by the Obama campaign.
(forgive me, I'm watching Survivor right now).
"The only phone call she'll get at 3am is Bill calling for bail money and asking Hilary to bring him a pair of pants" - Bill Maher
by Nedsdag on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:33:42 PM PDT
I agree entirely. The Clinton manegment style is always to take the path of least resistance, pick up the easy cheap short-term win and to hell with the long-term implications.
America dodged a bullet here. The last thing America needs is more short-term leadership. For once this damnnation has to think more than one accounting quarter ahead. We need a Twenty-Five Year Plan.
Psst! Don't panic
by Quicklund on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:43:50 AM PDT
The Mayberry Machiavellis have a fixed, long-term strategy. It's just the wrong strategy and is out of sync with reality. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, et al really do believe in long games and long wars, and they're willing to use any short-term political sales tactic or outright lie to get action on their goals (while frequently keeping those strategic goals mostly hidden). But that is short-term salesmanship, not short-term leadership.
The Clintons, on the other hand, don't seem to have much in the way of long-term strategy or persistent principles. Whether short-term salesmanship (or lying, or pandering, or whatever it takes) in the service of wrong-headed, obscured strategic leadership is worse than short-term salesmanship that often serves no long-term purpose other than continued unprincipled power grabbing depends in large degree on contingencies, but I'd just as soon avoid either option.
by Foodle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:07:50 AM PDT
There is evidence of GOP long-term planning, yes. At least when it comes to grasping power. In applying that power, the jury is still out.
I'd just as soon avoid either option.
Huzzah!
by Quicklund on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:23:00 AM PDT
Major environmental and humanitarian organizations have had this kind of foresight-
The situation now is that we need this kind of framework for the environment, the economy, health care, food quality, and relative peace... There is a big mess to clean up.
I believe that the bully pulpit of the Presidency is important to working with groups that have been doing the ground work for years- supporting Doctors Without Borders, Sierra Club, Riverkeeper- sometimes gov't just needs to get out of the people's way.
Barring real humanitarian goals the politics of expediency will crush everything.
The day is coming when a single carrot, freshly observed, will set off a revolution. Paul Cezanne
by MeToo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:36:21 AM PDT
great comment but why not a diary.
by foufou on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:07:09 AM PDT
that she just doesn't get it. Sad...
by summersky on Sun May 11, 2008 at 08:13:39 AM PDT
Bill and Hillary Clinton have always believed that they’re very different than the rest of us. Over their more than 30 years in politics together, they’ve learned one important and consistent lesson: that rules don’t matter. Rules don’t apply to them. Rules are for other people. Rules can be bent, changed, manipulated. And that philosophy has worked very well for them. So it’s particularly ironic that they are now turning to the Democratic Party Rules Committee to try and steal the presidential nomination that Hillary has already definitively lost to Barack Obama in the popular vote, the delegate count, and the total number of states. Now she’ll try to get the Democratic bosses to rig it for her. If the rules don’t work, change them. Under the guise of justice and fair play, Hillary Clinton is, in effect, asking the Rules Committee to rule that the party’s rules should be ignored — the same rules that the Rules Committee enacted and that Hillary and all of the other democrats supported without dissent. But that was then and now is now. Hillary wants the Florida and Michigan votes to be seated, even though it would still make no difference in the outcome. She can’t win. After her embarrassing near loss in Indiana and her sound trouncing in North Carolina, Hillary Clinton is a fatally wounded candidate. She’s out of money, out of votes, and out of options. But she won’t give up. She’ll never go home until the day that Obama actually reached the magic number of delegates. Why? Because she and her husband both believe that she is entitled to the nomination, entitled to the presidency. So they’re waiting for the inevitable signal that it will, in fact, be hers. No matter that neither the voters nor the party leaders want her. No matter that she has to spend more than $11 million of her own money to keep her campaign afloat. According to the Clintons, the nomination should be hers. She’s earned it. She’s ready. She wants it. She and Bill are sure that she’d be a great candidate. So that’s why they’re waiting. Because there’s one other lesson they’ve both learned — that over time, anything can change. And they’re waiting for any break that time might bring. They’ve see it before. When they were worried about her criminal liability in the Whitewater mess, they held their ground. Eventually, as the years went on, Jim McDougal, the chief witness against them, died of a heart attack in prison. When the special prosecutor was after her for perjury, she learned how to delay and then get by off on a technicality. Lost in the dust were the allegations of Hillary’s perjury. Once more, time was kind to her. It was the same story during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. At first it seemed that Bill would be quickly thrown out of the White House, but two years later, although impeached, he was still incredibly popular. Time and patience had brought control of events back to the Clintons. When they left the White House in utter disgrace over their ethical lapses and greed, they were under attack from even the friendliest of liberal media. But years of keeping their heads low, working hard at getting along with people in the Senate, turning to charitable works (with a little help from George W. Bush) and helping the party regulars erased the sordid images. Memories of pardons sold for campaign and library contributions, their scoundrel lobbyist brothers, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ‘gifts’ that were solicited from people who wanted favors from the White House disappeared. Once again, time healed all. Now, although seemingly out of time, they are still waiting. Something could happen to change things in just a minute. They’re patiently waiting for that minute. But beyond their belief in Hillary’s inalienable right to the nomination and Hillary’s inevitability, there are two more factors that are keeping her in. One is a combination of Hillary’s incredible stubbornness and Bill’s growing arrogance. They both believe that no one, absolutely no one tells them what to do. No one is going to force them – a former president and a senator — to do anything. So the more people tell them that Hillary should quit the race, the more determined they are that she should stay in. And finally, there seems to be an uncharacteristic absence of a reality base in Hillary’s thinking. Normally, she is a no-nonsense pragmatic politician who understand when she’s up and when she’s not. But lately she seems to ignore everything that’s in front of her except the supportive cheering of the partisan crowds and the certitude of Bill Clinton. The proof of this is that she has lent a total of $11.6 million to her campaign. The Clintons are not people who part with a dime very easily. For them to fork over that much money to a failing campaign already in deep debt is the clearest statement that they are out of touch. Even after she won Pennsylvania — by only 12 delegates — there was no mathematical way for her to win the nomination. But she then poured another $6.4 million into the campaign coffers. The Clintons are still waiting for a miracle that isn’t going to happen. They’re hoping that over time something big will derail Obama (no doubt they’re still frantically looking for that something). And they’re stubbornly refusing to go home. And they’re desperately hoping to make sure the rules don’t count for them. When the reality becomes unavoidable and it is clear that Hillary has to concede the nomination in 2008. Well, there’s always 2012 or 2016 or 2020 or ... These folks aren’t going away.
Bill and Hillary Clinton have always believed that they’re very different than the rest of us. Over their more than 30 years in politics together, they’ve learned one important and consistent lesson: that rules don’t matter. Rules don’t apply to them. Rules are for other people. Rules can be bent, changed, manipulated.
And that philosophy has worked very well for them.
So it’s particularly ironic that they are now turning to the Democratic Party Rules Committee to try and steal the presidential nomination that Hillary has already definitively lost to Barack Obama in the popular vote, the delegate count, and the total number of states.
Now she’ll try to get the Democratic bosses to rig it for her. If the rules don’t work, change them.
Under the guise of justice and fair play, Hillary Clinton is, in effect, asking the Rules Committee to rule that the party’s rules should be ignored — the same rules that the Rules Committee enacted and that Hillary and all of the other democrats supported without dissent. But that was then and now is now.
Hillary wants the Florida and Michigan votes to be seated, even though it would still make no difference in the outcome. She can’t win. After her embarrassing near loss in Indiana and her sound trouncing in North Carolina, Hillary Clinton is a fatally wounded candidate. She’s out of money, out of votes, and out of options.
But she won’t give up. She’ll never go home until the day that Obama actually reached the magic number of delegates.
Why?
Because she and her husband both believe that she is entitled to the nomination, entitled to the presidency. So they’re waiting for the inevitable signal that it will, in fact, be hers.
No matter that neither the voters nor the party leaders want her. No matter that she has to spend more than $11 million of her own money to keep her campaign afloat.
According to the Clintons, the nomination should be hers. She’s earned it. She’s ready. She wants it. She and Bill are sure that she’d be a great candidate.
So that’s why they’re waiting. Because there’s one other lesson they’ve both learned — that over time, anything can change. And they’re waiting for any break that time might bring.
They’ve see it before. When they were worried about her criminal liability in the Whitewater mess, they held their ground. Eventually, as the years went on, Jim McDougal, the chief witness against them, died of a heart attack in prison. When the special prosecutor was after her for perjury, she learned how to delay and then get by off on a technicality. Lost in the dust were the allegations of Hillary’s perjury. Once more, time was kind to her.
It was the same story during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. At first it seemed that Bill would be quickly thrown out of the White House, but two years later, although impeached, he was still incredibly popular. Time and patience had brought control of events back to the Clintons.
When they left the White House in utter disgrace over their ethical lapses and greed, they were under attack from even the friendliest of liberal media. But years of keeping their heads low, working hard at getting along with people in the Senate, turning to charitable works (with a little help from George W. Bush) and helping the party regulars erased the sordid images. Memories of pardons sold for campaign and library contributions, their scoundrel lobbyist brothers, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ‘gifts’ that were solicited from people who wanted favors from the White House disappeared. Once again, time healed all.
Now, although seemingly out of time, they are still waiting. Something could happen to change things in just a minute.
They’re patiently waiting for that minute.
But beyond their belief in Hillary’s inalienable right to the nomination and Hillary’s inevitability, there are two more factors that are keeping her in.
One is a combination of Hillary’s incredible stubbornness and Bill’s growing arrogance. They both believe that no one, absolutely no one tells them what to do. No one is going to force them – a former president and a senator — to do anything. So the more people tell them that Hillary should quit the race, the more determined they are that she should stay in.
And finally, there seems to be an uncharacteristic absence of a reality base in Hillary’s thinking. Normally, she is a no-nonsense pragmatic politician who understand when she’s up and when she’s not. But lately she seems to ignore everything that’s in front of her except the supportive cheering of the partisan crowds and the certitude of Bill Clinton.
The proof of this is that she has lent a total of $11.6 million to her campaign. The Clintons are not people who part with a dime very easily. For them to fork over that much money to a failing campaign already in deep debt is the clearest statement that they are out of touch. Even after she won Pennsylvania — by only 12 delegates — there was no mathematical way for her to win the nomination. But she then poured another $6.4 million into the campaign coffers.
The Clintons are still waiting for a miracle that isn’t going to happen. They’re hoping that over time something big will derail Obama (no doubt they’re still frantically looking for that something).
And they’re stubbornly refusing to go home. And they’re desperately hoping to make sure the rules don’t count for them.
When the reality becomes unavoidable and it is clear that Hillary has to concede the nomination in 2008. Well, there’s always 2012 or 2016 or 2020 or ...
These folks aren’t going away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!
by wargolem on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:11:10 AM PDT
You should have at least have included the proper attribution.
by Foodle on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:30:43 AM PDT
by SciVo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:34:16 AM PDT
those sorts of tactics? The internet, and youtube in particular. This isn't the 90s where you can keep a handle on the narrative long after the fact. See Tuzla sniper story.
Everything you do, everything you say, audio, video, all of it is within easy reach and exploitable by anyone with an agenda.
And if there is a media-based RWC that truly wants to see Clinton fail... Let's say she gets the stupordelegates to buy her bullshit. The media will be using her own words against her in a concerted effort to suppress the black vote. McCain cruises to victory, downticket Dems are marginalized and it will be because of the words and the actions of the Clintons preserved for generations to come because they couldn't look beyond the immediate political benefit.
News Pundits - The Dopplerless weathermen of our time. Jon Stewart
by mentaldebris on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:44:12 AM PDT
a support group: White, female and feminist against Hillary. There are lots of us, and our numbers are growing.
by Mnemosyne on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:02:10 AM PDT
red state pasty white feminist in her thirties.
Oh shit....I might be in an insignificant state.
~father...Father, the sleeper has awakened! ~Dune
by CWalter on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:29:46 PM PDT
by BlueTexasDem on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:48:36 PM PDT
wide narrow
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