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by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:40:17 AM PDT
thread with lots of info: FishOutOfWater's diary
And a blog with excellent updates" Shanghailist
by laderrick on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:43:38 AM PDT
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I've just cross-linked it as an update, it's much better than mine.
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:53:33 AM PDT
Dujiangyan is a gorgeous place, with a fantastic park w/thousands of flowers of every hue at the site of an ancient spot where the river's course was modified to control the flow w/o the use of dams.
I have met the managers (they were here for training at ASU), and my prayers are with all there.
Chengdu is Phoenix' Sister City, and we are to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of our Official Friendship in November...
Chengdu was the base for the Flying Tigers in WWII...
Pity the Pandas....
Panda--monium....
by serrano on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:07:37 AM PDT
Dujiangyan is one of the worst hit places, maybe 80% of the buildings are seriously damaged and several thousand injured, up to hundreds dead in the secondary school and homes.
The good news is there's a big relief effort there now and showing some footage on CCTV. I think all thes services are out and people will be living in tents for awhile because the government doesn't want anyone in buildings since a relapse can happen anytime. Fortunately the weather is warm.
Did you live in Chengdu before? Beautiful, argumentative women!
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:19:48 AM PDT
and love the place. Planning to return in November...Dujiangyan is one of the most beautiful spots I have ever seen...many families enjoying the beautiful and bucolic scenery at this ancient site...
by serrano on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:29:10 AM PDT
main tourist attraction is Panda Reserve outside of city. Lots of chemical & industrial factories, huge population, maybe 10 million or so, streets throng with all sorts of vehicles including thousands of bicyclists. When I was there four years ago, they were building a subway. The weather was damp, constantly overcast, sunshine is a rarity, or so I was told. The people were friendly, busy and well-dressed for the most part. I was only there briefly as we were headed on to Tibet which was our main visit.
In youth we learn, in age we understand.
by Jbeaudill on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:47:21 PM PDT
Intel is one of the tenants....
by serrano on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:59:24 PM PDT
morning and our lovely guide and her husband but of all the pandas and the researchers at the Panda Research Center. I was glad to read downthread that all is okay there. Yes, Intel, I had forgotten that. I hope that our guide So-Chen is okay; her husband worked for the airlines, and hope he is okay too, hopefully busy with getting any food/relief to the people.
by Jbeaudill on Mon May 12, 2008 at 02:08:00 PM PDT
Me, sitting w/the Panda, seemingly in deep conversation--kids love them, and I do, too!!!
by serrano on Mon May 12, 2008 at 03:27:59 PM PDT
panda on my lap; he looks like a carnival prize he is so gorgeous. And it was very obvious he was male. I fed him apple slices. Also, my son, age 21 who traveled with me, we shared the experience of having several red pandas sit on our laps and it was quite a melee when two of the red pandas got into a tiff! We were so glad we made this trip as well as our adventure into Tibet [Lhasa and Nitan village].
by Jbeaudill on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:09:18 PM PDT
Lots of damaged buildings and up to 200 deaths but most of the city has survived the quake and aftershocks.
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:49:35 PM PDT
the travel agency re So-chen to see if they are okay too. My heart goes out to all these people who will have suffered losses of loved ones and livelihood. I hope you'll have a continuing diary to keep us up to date. Thanks again.
by Jbeaudill on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:31:12 PM PDT
Beautiful, argumentative women!
here is hoping that aid gets to those who need it ASAP, I know that yet another special collection will be taken at my church next Sunday (one was taken yesterday for Myanmar). It is better for me to give cash, so I'll either find a place before Sunday to plunk down cash &/or give on Sunday.
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by anotherdemocrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 02:15:30 PM PDT
has thus far been unable to make contact w/their counterparts in Chengdu, but we have heard from associates w/an NGO, Food for the Hungry, which indicates that most of the damage seems to be outside the City of Chengdu, tho communication is sometimes spotty.
Here is his entire report from the ground:
,
By now many of you probably know that a 7.8 magnitude earthquake hit our area today. The epicenter of the quake was less than 60 miles away from Chengdu, so we definitely felt it here. It hit suddenly and it hit hard. Our whole apartment building started shaking and rattling. I grabbed Jackie and headed downstairs as quick as I could—praying all the way—and got Collin, who was outside playing with our neighbor’s son. On my way down the steps I heard glass shattering and things falling and breaking in other people’s apartments. The earthquake continued after we got outside, and I could see the buildings in our apartment complex swaying. We met up with our FH/Chengdu teammates and went to a local park to get away from the tall buildings. We were there, of course, with everyone else in the neighborhood. We were advised it was safe to return to our apartment several hours later. We continue to feel the aftershocks from the quake. They seem to come at fairly regular half-hour intervals.
Our entire team is OK, but we shaken up. The earthquake was a frightful and traumatic experience for all of us. What’s more, Rachel, who was to return to Chengdu this very night from the U.S. (where she was the matron of honor in her best friend’s wedding), is stuck in Beijing, as the Chengdu airport is closed and all flights were canceled. But we are grateful that we—and, we understand, the city of Chengdu as a whole—have been spared, as the damage from the quake has been very minimal, and for that we are thankful.
The same cannot be said about other areas and people in the very near vicinity of Chengdu. BBC’s latest estimate is that 8,500 people have died in the quake, and this number is bound to rise. We ask that you would join us in praying for this situation and for the many people who are suffering as you read this message.
Tomorrow, we will assess the situation as a team. We do not currently work where relief efforts will take place but we do have some local partners/friends who work in the rural areas of our province. We are not sure of our involvement at this time. But it is no mistake that our team is here at this time. We know that.
I will send further updates as necessary. Thank you for your concern and for your prayers.
Yours,
Jim Hicks Food for the Hungry Chengdu, Sichuan, China__
by serrano on Mon May 12, 2008 at 03:35:35 PM PDT
my heart!
by dmoore9504 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:19:13 PM PDT
I just heard on NPR that 80% of the structures were destroyed in a county of 160,000. The worst damage happened in the ethnic Tibetan areas in the mountains where the fault ruptured. These are mostly poor people who can't afford the best built structures so it's very bad news.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:15:38 AM PDT
Whenever such earthquakes hit in this area, it will be the small stone houses and smaller multistory buildings that are damaged worst.
The Tangshan earthquake of 1976 killed more than 250,000 but this quake was even stronger. However, houses have improved a lot so I think the casualties will be lower. In some places, nothing may remain standing because of the thrusting force along faults. Wenchuan County seems the worst so far and the news coming across now shows the center of town is seriously damaged. Surely hundereds have died.
Thanks for posting your diary, it's very informative.
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:30:59 AM PDT
Thrust quakes like this one - for example the Northridge quake - can have accelerations greater than gravity. The high accelerations in the San Fernando Valley were localized because it was a much smaller quake.
Greater than 1g accelerations can cause total destruction in areas that don't have engineered tie downs. The mountainous area where this quake occurred has an impoverished ethnic Tibetan community that can't afford well engineered structures.
I expect this to be a major disaster.
by FishOutofWater on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:55:05 AM PDT
I'm afraid the death toll will exceed 10,000 in the next couple of days, much is depending on rescue efforts in collapsed buildings, there are thousands of relief workers and the PLA now working as fast as they can.
Thanks for contributing more information, you're great.
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:55:13 PM PDT
Nothing bad ever happens except when bad people make it happen. Will they accuse the planet of trying to undermine the regime?
I'm not asking you to take the country back, I'm asking you to take it forward-Van Jones.
by Judge Moonbox on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:42:49 PM PDT
Right now they are focused on rescue services.
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:25:12 PM PDT
with useful maps and scientific observations. Thanks for providing the link.
by ybruti on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:53:48 AM PDT
I know the earth sciences because it's my area of expertise, but the population levels and local details are details I have needed to double check.
There are tens of millions of people living within 100 miles of the fault rupture zone. It's going to take days to get a full picture of the scope and the details of this disaster.
by FishOutofWater on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:04:45 AM PDT
Update: 7,000 dead in China earthquake
"Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.
by Neon Vincent on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:15:08 AM PDT
Hope your family and friends are, too.
It's been a rough time in China since we left in Nov. First the blizzards, then the floods, now this. :(
by Sharon Jumper on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:43:50 AM PDT
We're ok, cooking a late dinner and then go back to my office. It's terribly difficult to get through to Sichuan now because even the SMS is overloaded, but hopefully by morning we can get through to some friends and collegues.
OK, go cook some noodles. See you.
by koNko on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:56:51 AM PDT
nice to hear your were not affected.
BTW, how far were you from all this?
Listen to Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions. (mp3!)
by borkitekt on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:09:52 AM PDT
Some tremors from the quakes were felt along the China coast, but no damage. I taught at a university in Xiamen in the fall, and I've gotten a couple of emails saying they had tremors, but no damage. Most of them are from the Eastern provinces, so they don't have families in Sichuan, which is inland, just west of the "middle" of China.
by Sharon Jumper on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:16:48 AM PDT
It is a daunting task keeping up with the pixels.
Weren't you previously in Texas?
by borkitekt on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:44:00 AM PDT
Last time I was there was to visit my son when he was still in the army and at Ft Hood...and I was one of the original Vets 4 Peace/Military Family Speak Out members who went to Crawford...back when Cindy Sheehan was "just a mom." I diaried about the event here back when it happened.
by Sharon Jumper on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:52:51 AM PDT
They have been there about a week. I am praying they are okay as I have no idea where they are right now. I am devastated at all the reports coming from there. Last week Burma, this week China, and we are being slammed with record numbers of tornadoes here. Scary times.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. -- Thomas Jefferson
by DWKING on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:06:50 AM PDT
Heartbreaking situation. Saw video of frightened young people having run out of buildings. I can't imagine it.
Heard that a hospital collapsed!
IT TOOK five years, the deaths of 4,100 US soldiers... to make Iraq safe for Exxon. ~ Derrick Z. Jackson
by Gorette on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:40:04 AM PDT
wide narrow
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