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I gave bashing any demoicrat when my guy dropped out, it's freeing maybe you should try it.
You know what the "majority" of muslims in the world think and beleive? I don't think he is talking of the moderates, I think he may reffering to extremists, the tip when he reffered to countries who have and are trying to pass this type of extreme legislation and are not secular.
Read the article what it does is make a counter argument to what the likes of Sullivan and others suggested when proclaiming that his multi cultural background would have some soothing effect, which is ridiculous. In your efforts to try and discredit, or to comprehend anything not in praise of Obama as attacks you have become blind and deaf to actual reasoning and discussion.
Hates a terible thing it can effect your health if you let it.
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by LaEscapee on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:10:46 AM PDT
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it does not make the argument you claim.
The argument is not just that extremists will view Obama as an apostate (based on lies that Luttwakk asserts as true), the argument is that the vast majority of Muslims would.
See here:
More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known
That right there is a double whammy:
Again, sorry, even though this is a juicy bit of Obama-bashing, it's bullshit. The article you want to exist doesn't exist. Maybe you should write it, because this asshole sure didn't.
by Stroszek on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:16:09 AM PDT
I think the one you want doesn't exist, see there that is how you have a conversation and debate.
Let's agree the statement "majority" isn't true, so now can we agree that extremists may feel this way? The Quaran, just like any religious book is interpreted in many ways and laws are drawn from different points of veiw. I honestly didn't read this so much as an "attack" on Obama as on the argument put forward by others.
Maybe that is the thing, as I am not invested in the he said, she said horserace arguments many things the "beleivers" see as a negative I may see differently. One thing where you lose your argument and standing is when you accuse people of things or start using ad homs just because they have a different point of veiw about something.
by LaEscapee on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:26:04 AM PDT
that Sullivan's argument, which I'm agnostic about, is not based on the assertion that Obama being a former Muslim woul help soft diplomacy. Sullivan, like anyone not shilling for McCain, knows that Obama was never a Muslim.
Furthermore, I have seen no evidence that supports Luttwak's assertions. He certainly doesn't provide them.
There has, however, been anecdotal evidence that suggests the opposite.
Take this excerpt from a recent article on Salon:
When I was in Tehran, Iran, a year ago, I was asked by several senior government officials, including former President Mohammad Khatami, what to make of Barack Obama's candidacy for president of the United States. The young senator from Illinois was still barely on the international radar then. My response was that I couldn't see Americans nominating, let alone electing, a black man whose middle name was Hussein. My answer, clearly wrong in hindsight, stirred smiles and raised eyebrows among the Iranian leaders because they'd had no idea that Obama had a Muslim father. Even more surprising to them was that he carried, apparently without shame, a Muslim name. From Khatami this elicited an "Ajab!" -- Farsi for, essentially, "You've got to be kidding!" There were also many nods of agreement with my conclusion about Obama's chances.
by Stroszek on Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:30:18 AM PDT
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