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it is cool to lock a 5 year child in PRISON for something your parent's did then I find it hard to have this debate with you.
There are few acts more immoral in my mind.
We are lucky in this country, mos of us have never faced the crushing poverty these folks do. Their only goal in coming here is to make good for their family and children. Are their some criminals in the mix, sure, bust them and deport them.
Otherwise, the only way to stop people from taking the risk is to stop the source.
the Oasis in the desert is a popular place to stop until it dries up.
Stop employers from hiring illegals, and the problem will take care of itslef eventually.
by debatablepolitics on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:03:24 PM PDT
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Now, we have exactly two choices to make, because employers cannot effectively be punished for hiring illegal immigrants today.
The two choices are:
1.) Remove the 'knowingly' clause from USC 8 1324 such that an employer can be prosecuted for hiring an illegal immigrant whether they did it 'knowingly' or not
2.) Institute the 'tamper proof ID' which was supposed to be part of IRCA in 1986. I believe that a biometrically encoded Social Security Card would do the trick.
Which one of these solutions will you get behind?
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:09:26 PM PDT
... no.
We can do better than that.
It is your consistent reduction of this complicated problem into either/or's that allow you to deny the abuses going on and listed in this diary. It's cowardly.
So no, I won't allow you to frame this issue in your narrow way and avoid the reality of what's going on here.
by Nightprowlkitty on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:28:15 PM PDT
Which I am quite certain is over your head.
There are exactly two choices when it comes to Stop[ing] employers from hiring illegals, irrespective of what you will or will not allow.
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:36:39 PM PDT
... but you need to stop using only your head and start using your heart
These are children involved, these are real people. You may think of them as brown statistics, but they are human fucking beings who are being abused by a monstrous system.
Until you address the issue of humans being harmed, I find your comments to be merely pedantic, heartless and cowardly.
by Nightprowlkitty on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:42:18 PM PDT
You may think of them as brown statistics,
This is Ontario, CA. Ontario, CA now has the fastest growing population of illegal immigrants in the country. I believe that my next door neighbors are illegal immigrants. I am fairly certain that many of the people on my street are illegal immigrants.
I was born in Compton, CA, I grew up in La Puente, CA.
Just for the record, where do you live?
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:54:19 PM PDT
... a city with the most diverse population one could want ... I live in Queens, which has one of the largest immigrant communities in the country.
Now please answer my question ... do you think these enforcement only laws are fine, do you think the subject of this diary, which you are consistently avoiding, that real human beings are being hurt, is all right in the name of enforcement?
And do you think enforcement-only policies can do anything other than create these inhumane situations?
I don't give a shit where you live. Your own words speak more clearly of your intolerance than any faux autobiography can.
Just because your white enclave is being invaded by folks you don't like doesn't mean they should be imprisoned and hurt in the unjust enforcement the law.
by Nightprowlkitty on Mon May 12, 2008 at 05:00:53 PM PDT
but fundamentally it will never work. So not only is it an unjust system, it is also inherently inneffective.
Employer sanctions have worked historically in this country on other issues, particularly around worker safety. Do companies cut corners even today?
Sure they do, but you can not argue that conditions have improved very dramatically from the beginning of the 20th century to now.
In fact, the only area that seems to be sliding back on worker safety issues are the employers that are habitually violating labor law by hiring illegals already.
by debatablepolitics on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:19:40 AM PDT
... you would not answer the question.
You never do.
All you care about is obfuscating this real problem by throwing around bullshit to distract folks from the fact that the US is now once again guilty of human rights abuses, abuses that are inherent in our enforcement-only policies.
What a coward you are.
by Nightprowlkitty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:14:46 AM PDT
wide narrow
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