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is the direct result of US policies, with "free trade" a big contributor.
And the reason a lot of immigrants don't get proper documents is because the US system is rigged to stop that from happening.
It is all very sick.
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by dancewater on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:25:10 PM PDT
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And the reason a lot of immigrants don't get proper documents is because the US system is rigged to stop that from happening
Granted LPR for the years:
1980 to 1989 --- 1,009,586 1990 to 1999 --- 2,757,418 2000 --- 171,445 2001 --- 204,032 2002 --- 216,924 2003 --- 114,758 2004 --- 173,711 2005 --- 157,992 2006 --- 170,046
Number of citizens of the entirety of Europe for the years:
1980 to 1989 --- 668,866 1990 to 1999 --- 1,348,612 2000 --- 131,920 2001 --- 176,892 2002 --- 177,059 2003 --- 102,546 2004 --- 135,663 2005 --- 180,449 2006 --- 169,197
Note again that these are citizens of Mexico who were granted legal permanent residence in the US, and does not include the estimated 10% of the population of Mexico that is living in the US illegally.
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:33:36 PM PDT
... have to do with the human rights abuses enumerated in this diary?
Why do you keep avoiding that reality?
Do you agree with this enforcement only policy? is this how you think America should treat undocumented workers?
Or are you just going to continue throwing out meaningless statistics with no context?
by Nightprowlkitty on Mon May 12, 2008 at 04:35:25 PM PDT
those folks have been in the US.
NetrootNews coming soon!
by ksh01 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 05:10:40 PM PDT
I am responding to that point.
The fact that I do not know how long 'these folks' were in the US is impertinent both to the point made, and is impertinent with respect to my response.
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:13:07 PM PDT
Of course Duke explains it meticulously in his diary 147 for those who care to read real analysis and true context along with their statistics instead of your nonsensical cut and paste jobs.
He shows how the system is indeed rigged to stop that from happening.
And by the way, it's not "impertinent," it's "not pertinent."
by Nightprowlkitty on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:59:28 PM PDT
It is encapsulated in the last sentence
147 new un-skilled workers without US citizen or legal resident family already here were allowed to enter the US last year legally and receive green cards.
And for the most part my answer is "yeah ... and ... so, the US has family based immigration ... tell me something I don't know ... wake me up when you get the Hispanic Caucus to go along with changing it. It was tried with S2611 and with S1348".
The numbers in the Yearbook are not incorrect, Duke obviously is upset because there were only 147 unskilled admitted for a give period of time.
Also Duke doesn't mention that there have been 245(i) plus (if I remember correctly) three extensions of 245(i), and the diary implies that none of those that were admitted under family based preferences was unskilled.
I think it is in fact impertinent, but I have already agreed to stipulate for the purposes of these diaries that I am a racist, a xenophobe, whatever you want, I would think that you would still want to flog that beast for a while yet.
Patience, there's still plenty of time to go after my spelling and grammar.
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:51:02 PM PDT
I have already agreed to stipulate for the purposes of these diaries that I am a racist, a xenophobe,
What changes when you leave the diaries? Do you suddenly become a thinking, feeling non-racist with compassion for others when you stop typing? Is that how it works? Or what?
I'm curious, since I don't get to meet many self-admitted racists. Usually people have enough of a sense of shame to at least try to hide it.
Yell Louder!!! @ Docudharma
by buhdydharma on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:07:38 PM PDT
That I am a racist, I didn't say I was a racist.
I have found if all one has to make their case is argumentum ad hominem they're always going to revert to that, there's nothing I am going to be able to do about it.
As to the rest, I believe that I am in fact a thinking, feeling, compassionate, human being and what others may think I am, this is something else that I am not in control of, I can however assure you that what others think of me does not define who I am.
by superscalar on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:20:43 PM PDT
your lack of compassion and obvious bigotry define who you are.
by buhdydharma on Mon May 12, 2008 at 09:32:36 PM PDT
I have found if all one has to make their case is argumentum ad hominem they're always going to revert to that
by superscalar on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:50:02 AM PDT
... not only a coward but a hypocrite as well.
Of course you are only describing your own behavior on these threads.
But I guess it's ok if you're superscalar, lol lol.
It's only ad hom if it isn't true. Your own comments have damned you over and over again.
I am quite happy to let the community decide whether what I am saying here is true. I don't need much help, you do it all yourself with these bullshit comments.
by Nightprowlkitty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:31:52 AM PDT
Duke's entire diary shows both the context and the real reason why it is foolish to use the "just wait in line" meme, as well as the real problems in coming into this country legally.
As usual, you try to reduce it to your own context-less, meaningless statistics, once again conveniently leaving out the humanity of these people.
As far as your being a racist or xenophobe, well as I said, the real problem that is amply shown in your comments is an extreme moral cowardice. Frankly even racists and xenophobes have shown more humanity in their comments than you have.
Once again you refuse to deal with the substance of this diary. Once again you are hijacking.
And you have the nerve to run around the thread saying folks are calling you names and using ad hom attacks. It is to laugh.
by Nightprowlkitty on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:53 AM PDT
Just citing final stats of legal status tells us nothing about how long and how difficult it was to get legal status.
by ksh01 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:35:56 PM PDT
wide narrow
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