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by Robert in WV on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:32:16 PM PDT
...by a significant number.
Forty years ago, that might not have been true.
Just think of where we'll be in another forty years...
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by mistersite on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:34:46 PM PDT
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I am however making some positive headway at work and with the extended family here, so on balance, the fight continues.
I guess it's just that I cannot wrap my head around that kind of blatant racism. It kind of knocks me off balance, especially when it's someone I thought I knew.
by Robert in WV on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:37:23 PM PDT
on one of the top recommends this day, "Is WV Welcome in Your Democratic Party?" (Something or other like that.) It is an apologia for the attitudes up there and a challenge for understanding. You may have read it already. That was a tough day today. Particularly if she was serious.
I think you just respond as "WWJD" as possible and let her remember as the days, months, years progress how you reacted. I have to think there was an element of "hate" in that; i.e., she knew that wasn't true and just wanted to say that out loud to somebody. You never know when and how good might break into a dark space.
by fresh eyes on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:50:17 PM PDT
Was a good read.
by Robert in WV on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:08:27 PM PDT
stole that joke from Jon Stewart. During Obama's appearance on his show, he asked him if that was his plan---to enslave all the white people. I thought for sure everyone would know was a Big Jokey----and Obama himself denied that he had that top secret plan in the works. And I might add---I phonebanked WV today, and even tho I didn't run into a bevy of Obama supporters, there wasn't strong resistance either. From all the publicity I didn't expect any Obama voters, but there were some, such as the nice lady who called him a "fine fella" and said she sure did already vote for him. And even many of those who said they planned to vote for Clinton were very willing to listen and talk about Obama. No real hate. I am with one of the pundits who tonight said Obama perhaps should have spent more time there because I think he might have been able to make some serious inroads there. And I also heard many people say even if they didn't vote for him in the primary they were definately voting Democratic in the fall.
by dotster on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:53:05 PM PDT
step." A saying worth remembering at times like these. Kudos for the good work you're doing. You are making a difference, of that I'm sure, even if the progress is sometimes awfully hard to see.
by trivium on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:55:12 PM PDT
racism and into complete stupidity.
"We should be able to deliver hot bottled water to dehydrated babies." John McCain
by llamaRCA on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:57:21 PM PDT
The old expression "one rotten apple spoils the whole bunch..." is truly in force here.
Read the Epilogue of Audacity of Hope. The answer is in there.
by David Kroning on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:39:16 PM PDT
by Engine 08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:52:06 PM PDT
I've always voted, but you know what I mean. Because of Obama, people are voting who have never voted before, and it's not just kids. It's disillusioned citizens who for the first time in their lives believe that their candidate is the real deal.
These are people who have always been there, just didn't vote. That's why this election is so different.
It breaks my heart that there are so many ignorant people in this country. We've dumbed down to a dangerous point.
But there are so many more of us who will overwhelm CW and ignorance. And everyone will benefit -- even your friend who believes in white slavery.
Although that one really takes the prize.
by 57andFemale on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:41:27 PM PDT
Tell her we come in peace.
/sn
John McCain: Like Hope, But Different.
by malharden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:39:12 PM PDT
As a native West Virginian myself (though right now I'm going to graduate school out of state) I know exactly what you are feeling. It's hard not to get discouraged but we have to try.
"What is essential is invisible to the eye."
by greywolfe359 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:40:13 PM PDT
this.
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by DemocraticLuntz on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:41:41 PM PDT
who ever will? Give it another try.
Maybe your friend has had a chance to think over what she said and regrets it. Maybe not.
But think how hard others have had to fight to win the battle... Surely you can find it in you to talk until SHE's the one who gives up talking.
Barack Obama -- The President we were promised as kids!
by Jimdotz on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:42:03 PM PDT
West Virginia is a poor state. People who are poor have lots of fears, and they fear anything different because different could mean not acceptable. Obama's not going to win these people in this election. But if he wins the election and delivers real, substantive change and helps them then he can change attitudes forever.
Obama/Casey, my personal dream ticket.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:45:30 PM PDT
His candidacy might not win such people, but his presidency might.
by movie buff on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:47:42 PM PDT
but I have seen this before. There are just some people that will never like him. He could cure cancer and bring about world peace and they would still distrust him and not like him. Fortunatly, they are in the minority, and most people will be able to overcome their initial feelings. But for a small group of people, he will always be the scary black man. Sad but true.
A woman voting for John McCain...is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders
by lpeggy on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:30:40 PM PDT
Always one of the bottom 2 or 3. But I've never heard anyone say something like that, though they could have and I missed it. And the race here was near 50-50.
Obama's gonna win, NM, too in the fall.
John McCain voted against health care for kids.
by Land of Enchantment on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:48:12 PM PDT
It's a set of poverty that has been caused by there never being jobs that paid well there. In Appalachia there were good paying jobs once, then NAFTA happened and the steel plants went to China...It makes for a far more cynical electorate.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:53:05 PM PDT
racism is various parts of ignorance and hate.
In fact, some of the most virulant racists were well educated.
Woodrow Wilson was a viriulant racist...and he was the most well-educated President we've ever had.
by David Kroning on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:58:18 PM PDT
...NM has had multiple cultural influences on the area for centuries...tolerance has arose by necessity...WV, not so much...
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
by Aqualad08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:05:15 PM PDT
I was raised poor.
When poverty and poor education conspire with cultural norms you may end up with this type of attitude, but it isn't just poverty.
by llamaRCA on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:59:38 PM PDT
I was not raised in abject poverty. We had food to eat and always had something under the tree at Christmas time and on our birthdays (well, not under the tree, then, but...).
But we were not well off. I missed out on a lot of school trips and activities simply because a single mom with three kids had to prioritize. But we were raised to be tolerant and open minded.
by Robert in WV on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:12:08 PM PDT
At a recent family party I was shocked how many of my own relatives would never vote for Obama just because he's black..
My father, my uncle and my bother-in-laws father, uncle and cousin all said the same.
And we're from NJ and upper middle class at the least(my brother in law in upper class, period). Presumably we'd fit the Obama demographics better then the Appalachia states, yet rampant racism exists here as well...
by Matin08701 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:47:57 PM PDT
Mine won't vote for her because he's an abortion-mongering Muslim. Facts notwithstanding.
by fresh eyes on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:52:54 PM PDT
how backwards my own father can be...
He had a nice little career in middle management for a big corporation, but I don't understand how he thinks he can look down at a magna cum laude from Harvard law????
by Matin08701 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:09:38 PM PDT
I am far more impressed by the fact that he worked for it and then went on to work as a community organizer after securing such a high-powered degree.
by Robert in WV on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:13:34 PM PDT
I know are from Staten Island. You don't have to be a hick to be racist.
by llamaRCA on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:52 PM PDT
Was speaking more of the "hillary" demographics stating that working class whites making under 50k won't vote for an AA
by Matin08701 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:11:55 PM PDT
the human condition: we can all change, and you never know exactly what you might say that makes the difference.
Why does John McCain hate kids?
by Fasaha on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:01:30 PM PDT
The term of slavery is only 20 years. Obama, as half-white would serve 10 years (although he wouldn't beging serving his sentence until after he is out of office). His kids as 1/4 white would serve 5. See, the slavery will affect him and his family too!
New quote under construction.
by turneresq on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:53:59 PM PDT
and how sad we have to think of stuff like this...
by Fasaha on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:02:58 PM PDT
First laugh out loud comment this evening for me.
My dog thinks I'm a bit loopy now, laughing at my lap top, but...
by Robert in WV on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:14:31 PM PDT
will not vote for Obama because he is black,I thought that is slightly more than the margin he lost those races. Rendell said there are folks that just won't vote Obama for racial reasons. People door knocking for Barack were told I an't voting for no Nig**. In Kentucky and WV there just happens to be a large number of people who have hatred and fear controlling their decisions. What can we do about that? It must be possible to reduce that number but it is not going to happen in a campaign speech. I think we just have to beat them. And then raise the educational level once he is in. White slavery indeed, they don't need us to impose slavery they are already in bondage to their thinking. Besides AAs know we could never engage in that behavior without losing a bit of our own souls.
What is starting to annoy me is the pundits saying its Barack's problem that he can make these folks comfortable with him. Hillary lost DC by margins smiller to the margins Obama will lose
by jazzyjay on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:12:44 PM PDT
and your friend will be too under President Obama!
Grandpa is mean and he smells funny.
by MadAsHellMaddie on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:17:28 PM PDT
person, but keep on and you will find others you can reason with or at least plant a seed that may grow into change later.
Kucinich did NOT bankrupt Cleveland.
by zett on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:29:31 PM PDT
wide narrow
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