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Sorry Hill, you really blew it.
You can only push people so far, and you passed that mark in my book a long time ago.
by newyorknewyork on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:11:36 AM PDT
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candidate who brought back the "Candidate of the White Voters" pitch??
The division is now accepted by the talking heads thanks to the Clinton campaign. It will be up to Obama to repair this rift. I'm ready to help.
Its the delegates that count
by Morgan Sandlin on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:30:29 AM PDT
Even if Hillary manages to get the nomination, her invitation to small minded thinking (like racism is a valid way for voters in WV to select a candidate) is an open invitation to sexism and a whole host of other "non-issue" distractions that are used by Republicans.
She should have used her candidacy to reject that idea. She still would have won. But she could have rejected racism just the same.
by ruscle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:34:10 AM PDT
has been so obnoxious, along with her incredulous ever-changing "path to victory", that she has likely permanently alienated every thinking Dem.
I would vote green if she were the Dem nominee, but that won't happen, she won't be.
Her bullshit is not being bought by the Dem SD's; it is just bullshit for her low-info contributor base.
by BonzoDogBand on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:56:18 PM PDT
her incredulous ever-changing "path to victory", that she has likely permanently alienated every thinking Dem.
"Every thinking man is for you, Adelai!"
"That's not enough, I need a majority!"
We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!
by ScrewySquirrel on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:08:20 PM PDT
and also if you look at past elections, democrats generally do not get the white male vote anyway. BLAH!
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!
by wargolem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:24:21 PM PDT
She won't be the nominee, why get worked up? Just because the media's using Clinton's talking points to perpetuate the illusion that she still has a shot at the nomination doesn't mean anyone's really buying it, least of all the superdelegates.
I have absolutely no respect for Clinton after this campaign, but I'd still vote for her over McCain. After Obama established his lead, she had to run a more aggressive campaign. The second-place candidate always has to attack more and just hope that the frontrunner trips up. The race-baiting has been shitty, but her base includes a bunch of racists. While I may lose respect for her on a personal level, just remember she's not the first politician guilty of pandering to her base. I'll take a power-mad morally-challenged corporate Democrat over a senile warmongering Republican every time. But I won't have to actually decide between the two, because she won't be the nominee, so this whole discussion is moot.
by 3cardmonty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:21:11 PM PDT
don't the SD's put Obama over the top? Why don't they end it? We're far past the point where she needs to back away for the good of the nominee.
Why?
Yes We Did.
by RenaRF on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:50:56 PM PDT
It was a Democratic candidate who brought back the "Candidate of the White Voters" pitch??
Unfortunately, I've come to believe that as soon Obama became a viable candidate, the underlying theme of this whole election became about racism. The Wright flap, Hillary's tactics, etc., are, I think, just breakthroughs to the surface of our unresolved National Ugliness. West Virginia just revealed a higher concentration of this ignoble sentiment than we've see during this campaign.
I suspect that it's a deeper divide than the Republican-Conservative/Democratic-Liberal polarization. I don't know that Colin Powell (pre-water carrier for Dubya) would be viable as the Republican candidate.
As I commented in another diary, I suspect that this election is a Test for Our Time. And I'm genuinely concerned as to whether we'll pass...
"You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -Abbie Hoffman
by Uthaclena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:45:18 AM PDT
saying what you've said. Instead, they are giving us flashbacks to Dixiecrat days. the Democratic party has become better than that, and nothing can excuse the regression we are seeing today.
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by RudiB on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:03:18 PM PDT
I'm not sure you'd see all that much difference in PA or W.VA; I suspect that the Corporate Media would still have dug up Wright, and the 'Obama Attended a Madrassa' would likely have still made the rounds.
The pervasive inertia of the racial problem in America is just becoming more evident to me in the last several weeks; I suspect it's been a blind spot for this optimistic intellectual caucasian. We've made less progress than I'd thought.
by Uthaclena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:14:18 PM PDT
It's the silver lining in this mess if more whites can see this particular "blind spot."
"You can tell the truth but you better have a fast horse." - Rita Mae Brown -8.38, -5.54
by majcmb1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:46:36 PM PDT
I became politically aware during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. We have made enormous progress. I hate to see us lose an inch of progress that has sometimes been purchased with the sweat, tears and blood of so many. I'd be happy for Clinton to merely say: If you're inclined to vote for me because Barack is African American, I don't want your vote. Instead we get this rancid narrative about how Barck can't win the hearts of hard-working white Americans. BAH!
by RudiB on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:25:07 PM PDT
Don't believe the MSM or the Clintons.
Bigots are not a majority. They are concentrated in spots.
Know hope.
Brilliantly blessed are those who walk with courage through the depths of the own fear, for they will Love from the bottom of their heart.
by Craig Hickman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:52:14 PM PDT
I can understand your worry, but Obama will prevail!
He's made it despite all odds so far, and I'm confident he will weather the storms to come.
He is so solid and so much more appealing than McSame in every way--not to mention his excellent campaign organization--that this will come out OK.
And once he's in office, even the racists will eventually get over it.
The Obama presidency will truly launch the 21st Century and help turn the page on the remaining vestiges of racism in this country.
Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.
by Happy Days on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:17:21 PM PDT
but, some diaries (such as this one which is totally awesome by the way!!!) do get me a bit scared.
I always start every day believing that Obama is already seated in the Oval Office, but the Clinton tactics, and the MSM cooperation in all of it just makes me so sick.
Thanks to the diarist for an excellent well-thought diary, and thanks to Happy Days for your encouragement!
YES.WE.CAN.
and the new phrase that I want to add to my sig:
"It's the internet, stupid."
We need to get this country connected. Every single city, town, village, hamlet, house, and outhouse.
For McCain, War is a dream come true. For Obama, War is a nightmare.
by karma13612 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:14:17 PM PDT
Clinton's behavior only this campaign season is reason enough to never let her back into the White House. Not even as a tourist.
The behavior of her surrogates is indistinguishable from the behavior of Republican operatives. I'd be disgusted to the point of vomiting, but Í've gotten vomit-fatigue during the Bush regime.
by Dagoril on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:04:51 PM PDT
by karma13612 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:40:20 PM PDT
up above. In fact, that's all you really have to say about our general election chances.
I have COMPLETE confidence in Barack. I also am absolutely convinced that the right and just outcome will occur - right after Oregon. Heh heh.
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
by The Lighthouse Keeper on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:19:55 PM PDT
want. They pay lip-service to "unifying" the party but I believe that they long ago determined that if the Democratic Party didn't give them the nomination that they would leave the party with their supporters only to reappear in 2012 to lead a new "centrist party" and paint the Republicans and the Democrats as "radicals." They would throw anyone or anything under the bus (they've already shown that) in order to achieve their extremely self-centered and narcissistic ambitions. The only way to defang them is to shut them out of power structures. The Democratic Party would be better off without the DLC and the Clintons--so I hope the party leadership lets them try to carry out their threats. It would be interesting to see what happens. The Clintons are just not as powerful as they would like everyone to think.
by Wings Like Eagles on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:24:41 PM PDT
Just because the New York pols have decided to march lockstep behind HRC, that doesn't mean we, the electorate of New York, are going to. She burned a lot of bridges here.
Consign corporatism to the dankest crypt, and assign justice to the highest crag. For A More Perfect Union.
by Alohilani on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:32:37 AM PDT
that's been burned...
Grandpa Simpson is a cartoon character...John McCain is an actual person... McCain '08: We can't spare the change
by wry twinger on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:58:01 AM PDT
seat. Her outstandingly junky performance in this campaign has probably guaranteed that the people of New York will give her a second, more critical, look when she runs again.
by Wings Like Eagles on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:32:53 PM PDT
burned to a crisp.
"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." ~ Jerry Garcia
by mytribe on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:21:35 PM PDT
Who can't go home again because all the bridges have been burnt. And I'll help light the fuses.
She said that she was working for the ABC News It was as much of the alphabet as she knew how to use
by Paolo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:26:30 PM PDT
by karma13612 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:15:30 PM PDT
if she does steal the nomination - i agree that she'll try, but can't believe she'll pull it off - but let's just say she does, shouldn't we be ready to mobilize all Obama supporters to write him in?
"Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself..." Mark Twain
by jedley on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:33:22 AM PDT
with electronic voting machines that don't even have a paper trail?
John McWar: refighting Vietnam in Iraq, relighting the Cold War in Georgia.
by edg on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:44:45 AM PDT
by Nellcote on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:22:29 PM PDT
by Wings Like Eagles on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:38:54 PM PDT
the nomination. I think a LOT of people would. This nomination process has been the most transparent and if Democrats feel that Obama has been done wrong, it would be very easy to see them writing him in. Even though it is highly unlikely he would win, who knows--this is the 21st century. Many, many things are changing.
by Wings Like Eagles on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:37:50 PM PDT
When's her next Senate election, because I'm a former NY'er, most of my friends and family are back there, and they are not planning to ever vote for her for NY Senate again.
They have expressed a strong desire to see her shunned from office at this point.
The NY Media market has been VICIOUS to her. NY'ers are pleasantly straightforward like that, though. It's one of the things I miss. Hah.
...on a good day I bowl a 19
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:16:24 PM PDT
to any viable challenger.
The lesson of that history is that you must not despair, that if you are right, and you persist, things will change. -Howard Zinn
by blueyedace2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:22:50 PM PDT
by RainyDay on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:42:27 PM PDT
Exactly. She's Fredo now.
by cm dem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:54:30 PM PDT
Fredo was never smart or competent.
HRC played an ideal hand under the normal, old rules..."the smart move"...but Obama's out to settle all the family business, starting with turning McCain into the GOP's Mondale.
"A word after a word after a word is power." -Margaret Atwood
by John Shade on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:44:07 PM PDT
Let's face it. This prolonged fight, when it's obvious she lost, is all about her. What strikes me, every time I hear a pundit ask "what does she want?", is what she is willing to put the party through. Every day she stays in is another day lost in fighting McCain. Another day Obama has to spend money fighting her and the perception games she plays. Mark my words, she'll want Obama, by the way of our donations to him, to pay off some or all of her debt. If for some reason she really believes this sets her up for a possible 2012 run I'll personally fight every day to see that she loses. She stands to become the new Ralph Nader and I won't feel sorry for her if she does.
by jannakc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:58:14 PM PDT
Mark my words, she'll want Obama, by the way of our donations to him, to pay off some or all of her debt.
It is not legal for Obama to donate more than 2,300 to her campaign. So this will never happen. All he could do is encourage his donors to also donate to her, within the set limits. I don't know about you, but after seeing the Clinton's tax returns, I'm not donating a penny. They can easily afford it.
by Dagoril on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:09:04 PM PDT
wide narrow
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