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by kubla000 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:11:21 PM PDT
I don't know how significant an Edwards endorsement will be at this point... but the more the merrier I guess!
---- now they sit and rattle their bones and think of their bloodstone days...
by TooFolkGR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:11:53 PM PDT
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Edwards got 7% of the vote in West Virginia. There would be other things to talk about besides Hillary's 'toughness' and such.
McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?
by Sun dog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:20:03 PM PDT
...that the seven percent of Edwards voters in WV voted for him because he hadn't told them what to do yet? It's not like he dropped out yesterday, they've had time to do their research.
by TooFolkGR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:21:19 PM PDT
Get your Democracy Bond and help build a 50-state Democratic Party!
by RobertInWisconsin on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:22:56 PM PDT
If I was a dehydrated baby, I wouldn't want bottled hot water from John McCain!
by Fairy Tale on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:06 PM PDT
He doesn't control them per se, but I'm sure he has the power of persuasion over them.
by jenesq on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:21 PM PDT
by kubla000 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:28:11 PM PDT
and we can count the Pelosi Club when we get the pledged delegate majority (I think around 7) and we assume we get around 53 delegates out of OR/KY, we are only 60 away from the 2,024 when OR comes around.
Feasible?
by Fairy Tale on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:32:26 PM PDT
They can do as they want, I think that became clear when the Clinto delegate said he was gonna vote for Obama in Denver.
by ClintonObama on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:00:04 PM PDT
didn't do it earlier to be sure it'd be on the evening news programs? (which would've also damped down some of teh "Hillary Huge Win in WV" stories.
by brueso on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:25:15 PM PDT
Is what I'm guessing.
Why the West Coast time if its not a California pol.
John McCain
by dbratl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:40:25 PM PDT
the HRC interviews scheduled for tonight...
by RidleyGriff on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:43:40 PM PDT
by brueso on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:46:31 PM PDT
It won't preempt the network news but it will toss the story off the CNN, MSNBC, Fox casts
by kubla000 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:53:12 PM PDT
Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? ... it's all she has left ...
Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity?
... it's all she has left ...
by Kdoug on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:27:54 PM PDT
... then same on all the folk suggesting that this endorsement is HUGE
The next fantasy: Obama/Dean (please let it be)
by wystler on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:45:50 PM PDT
big to regular folk. "National" makes you think it would be someone like JE who ran a national campaign. On the other hand, has Joe Biden endorsed anyone? They might count him as national.
by brueso on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:48:26 PM PDT
Is what LawProfsr is speculating.
That's the best, most compelling guess I've heard so far.
by dbratl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:53:58 PM PDT
her in terms of when to leave. She's never going to dominate on a delegate night as much as she did last night. Even if she does nearly as well in KY, Obama's going to do well well in OR and potentially get over the wall that night, it would definitely make HRC the "B" story again.
But I still am inclined to go with JE.
by brueso on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:05:18 PM PDT
even HUGE plus, le ultra huge, huge-erific, hugulous.....
NetrootNews coming soon!
by ksh01 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:10:14 PM PDT
& all switch to BO, that gives Obama 1,618.5 pledged delegates.
From the DK front page we see that an absolute majority of the pledged delegates (excluding FL and MI, I presume) is 3,234/2 + 0.5 = 1,617.5.
At a single stroke Obama would have attained an absolute majority of the pledged delegates available. Without waiting for OR and KY.
That would be worth the top story on the evening news shows--and moved up 6:30 PM, it would probably run live at the top of most of them, in the East anyway.
(I guess we'll see in 2 hrs or so, hm?)
May I bow to Necessity not/ To her hirelings (W. S. Merwin)
by Uncle Cosmo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:35:33 PM PDT
If I'm not mistaken they are pledged delegates won in early contests such as Iowa. Edwards only suspended his primary campaign, thus his pledged delegates are not free to vote for anyone but him on the first ballot at the convention, unless he officially ends or releases them to vote as they wish.
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR
by Vitarai on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:39:18 PM PDT
I was talking about media narratives. That relates to reality only tangentally.
All I'm saying is that it would give them something else to talk about.
Clinton's entire campaign right now is essentially concern trolling about Obama. Since she won WV, she and the Republicans have been rewarded with story after story about how 'working class' (read white) people don't like Obama.
It would be nice to shut that shit up.
by Sun dog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:27:40 PM PDT
could never vote for Hillary, and were too dumb or afraid to vote for Obama, who knows maybe they didn't even know Edwards dropped out of the race months ago.
by Vera Lofaro on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:49:58 PM PDT
If you want to say they voted for the white guy on the ballot because their only other options were a woman or a black dude, that's fine. I might even agree with you. But remember that we will need WV in the general, so let's be nice.
"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by stefanielaine on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:04:28 PM PDT
by brueso on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:50:26 PM PDT
less about being inclusive towards W.VA, they are going to go for McCain, I would put money on it. I am pretty sure the only cable station they get on their t.v. sets is Fox news. I am so done with that state and their 5 electoral votes. You all know damn well the reason Hillary won by such a large margin was because she got the racist vote, and racism is dumb. Do you think her "hard working whites" remark was just a slip of the tongue? That was designed to play directly into the racism in West Virginia. Her campaign did their homework and knew all too well, this had to be the appeal.
by Vera Lofaro on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:43:24 PM PDT
still under his control (and a bunch more if you count Florida). If he endorses, most, if not all would go to Obama.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia".
by yellowdog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:25 PM PDT
that makes HRC shut TFU about FL once and for all. Interesting to contemplate.
Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.
by bwintx on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:41:44 PM PDT
Webb is a fighter in every sense of the word. I recognize that Scot-Irish damn the torpedos look he gets, I've seen it in the mirror.
With the reddish hair and military history, he looks every bit the fighter. He would be a good balance to Obama's quiet way. He could go out and fight the good fight, while Obama could maintain his calm.
He's been married three times, but I don't know if that counts for as much as it once did. His current wife is Vietnamese. It would be a very global kind of ticket.
importer
by importer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:27:09 PM PDT
I don't think I've ever seen him in profile before. The man could be my long-lost uncle! It's that Scots-Irish nose...
Lousy Bowlers for Obama
by paintitblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:43:28 PM PDT
for clenching!
by St Louis Woman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:56:51 PM PDT
...what's a Scots-Irish nose?
by SoutheastPapa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:19:47 PM PDT
Hey, I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived! Dear Officer Krupke..
by bryker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:09:30 PM PDT
Long ago, people used to have plastic surgery to get rid of it and look more WASPy.
by paintitblue on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:07:38 AM PDT
But my comment refers to a disturbing ad I once saw, from the days of the "no Irish need apply" signs.
Anyway, though, I apologize if I was offensive. I was just meaning to poke good-natured fun at myself as much as anything else. :)
by paintitblue on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:12:42 AM PDT
I think it's a great fit on several levels. And I like thinking about debates. He's a good foil to Obama's perceived haughtiness (I've never seen it, but some people do.)
**Yeah, I'm mad! I've been paying attention.
by greylox on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:45:31 PM PDT
It's on firstread.msnbc.com from the Hill. He says he's not interested in that spot.
...on a good day I bowl a 19
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:49:28 PM PDT
military guys. I'd bet that if asked, he'd serve.
by St Louis Woman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:57:42 PM PDT
in the history of VP candidates. :)
Webb stated today he didn't want to be VP
by stefanielaine on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:05:33 PM PDT
I wish I could remember where - that Webb is more interested in running for president in the future than in running for VP now. That would be interesting if true. Webb v. Hillary in 2012? LOL
Ask me about John McCain!
by takeahike on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:20:01 PM PDT
Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President in 2012, as he runs for his second term.
by JoeW on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:26:19 PM PDT
than to serve as 8 years as the VP.
It ain't what you call me, it's what I answer to.
by Change Is Coming on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:57:21 PM PDT
help Obama. Certainly his military and foreign policy creds will. I fear that, despite his years of political service, he will be branded inexperienced. Also, I remember the trouble females had with him during his Senate campaign. That may deter some Hillary supporters.
Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies
by madgranny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:33:56 PM PDT
related to female vote. For what its worth, in the 2006 VA SN race Webb got 55% of female vote against Allen as per CNN exit poll
by NY John on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:29:31 PM PDT
by bryker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:08:52 PM PDT
it's official
Citizen Journalist
by Hummingbird on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:18:53 PM PDT
That would be most helpful at present.
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
by The Lighthouse Keeper on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:37 PM PDT
We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"
by Gooserock on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:37:29 PM PDT
character! Besides, Homer's in Ralph Wiggum's camp. ;)
"The Use of Unnecessary Violence Has Been Approved." Keith Olbermann
by CityLightsLover on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:44:46 PM PDT
And for that matter, he doesn't seem to be very hard working. Unless eating donuts counts as work.
by sja on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:57:46 PM PDT
at getting his rest
by Tony McArthur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:47:56 PM PDT
put a stop to Hillary's campaign by endorsing Obama for the good of the country, since her racist remarks were really hurting the nation, and had gone way beyond the Dem primary.
by Virginian in Spain on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:45:04 PM PDT
Go to BookSense - an umbrella for indie booksellers- rather than support that no-tax-paying behemoth called Amazon.
Buy local.
by Progressive Sconny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:32:19 PM PDT
Great advice.
Sunshine almost always makes me high
by Jibbly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:45:28 PM PDT
Between Amazon and "No books at all." I can't buy a $24.99 book for $16.00 from my local independent.
by TooFolkGR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:45:30 PM PDT
by batgirl71 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:52:26 PM PDT
love the library but don't complain if an occasional person buys one of our books...
by JoeW on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:28:30 PM PDT
They're a wonderful, enormous independent bookseller out of Portland, Oregon, and they have a big web presence and, I think, discounts.
by JoeW on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:27:48 PM PDT
endorses Obama after he secures the nom (well, at least, officially rather than presumptively).
by True Independent on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:39:54 PM PDT
I was about to have some fun speculating in my diary.
You, sir, are a like a Hitler burrito, wrapped in a Mao fajita, with low-sodium Stalin sauce.| Strategy08.
by turneresq on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:12:13 PM PDT
I didn't know. Thanks.
Sounds like he is making a push for this thing.
Adopt a Shelter Dog! "No one worked harder to re-elect George Bush in 2004 than John McCain"
by psycho liberal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:14:00 PM PDT
and was about to write a snarky little post about Halperin changing his mind.....I should really read these diary thingies.
by ksh01 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:15:51 PM PDT
worth a hill of beans now? I think he had every right not to endorse for whatever his reasons were, but it seems fairly meaningless now. What's his story, I wonder?
by Shelley99 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:17:22 PM PDT
Edwards stumped for him in that state. It could possibly cut the margin enough so that Hillary gets no net gain next week, which would be nice.
by bhouston79 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:22:33 PM PDT
19 pledged delegates!
by seenos on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:22:46 PM PDT
Important, of course he's important I've seen anywhere from 19-26 delegates that he could toss Obama's way.
by Kitty on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:23:40 PM PDT
It's very meaningful in the General to all those who liked HRC AND then favored JE.
He'll be able to help Obama in the Appalachians, I would think.
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:44:18 PM PDT
..for the publicity/booksales. It'd make him a cool million, easily!
"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16
by Setrak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:18:51 PM PDT
I'd really hate to lose multiple senators at this point. I thiink we need to pull a governor -- Sebelius? Richardson? Strickland? -- and add some managerial experience to the ticket.
NFTT Progressively supporting the troops
by Timroff on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:25:32 PM PDT
another dem senator in Virginia.
I hate Harold Ford Jr.
by oak510 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:32:41 PM PDT
since his term as Governor is expiring.
by stefanielaine on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:08:02 PM PDT
who is a Republican?
That's what happened when George Bush gave up his governorship to accept the presidency.
by Brooke In Seattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:43:13 PM PDT
Not what you want immediately after Hillary. He had trouble defending his stance on women in the military when he was running for senator.
At this time, I think he is exactly where he needs to be. He would be hard to replace in the senate. He barely won VA, based primarily on a mistake by Allen.
Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck
by Sherri in TX on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:13:13 PM PDT
from Oklahoma the other day. Very popular and with the new SD coming from OK today, makes sense to me.
Disclaimer: Oklahoma native :-)
Eyes on the Prize - JedReport
by juslikagrzly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:33:31 PM PDT
by Brooke In Seattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:44:44 PM PDT
Continue the discussion: http://westernfieldsreport.blogspot.com/
by PowerLineMN on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:03:06 PM PDT
and did sign some kind of parental notification bill, but I would not say he's anti-choice.
He has about 70% approval in OK which is unreal for a dem gov.
by juslikagrzly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 02:03:17 PM PDT
to the ticket in the areas of foriegn policy and military experience. Add in his energy experience, and, well, he's a complete package, unlike the others.
..better that money be spent in the U.S. building windmills than squandered in the ME for Bush-McCain to tilt at them. -andydoubtless
by Hornito on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:44:03 PM PDT
There are many stories about his sexism and workplace harassment.
There may also be outright affairs that could come up.
by Brooke In Seattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:46:00 PM PDT
by rapcetera on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:38:02 PM PDT
Obama+Webb Obama+Clark
But I think overall the Webb fit is better for Obama.
--- Photography, Politics, and Chicago
by sterno on Wed May 14, 2008 at 12:52:51 PM PDT
Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by Deoliver47 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:21:33 PM PDT
Because I don't see it? :)
Truth is I don't know Sebelius that well. My take is that having somebody who brings in more experience and a solid understanding of foreign policy and the military would really do well to balance out the ticket. I long thought Clark fit that bill nicely, but recently, given Webb's economic populism, I've begun to think Webb might end up being the better choice.
by sterno on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:32:58 PM PDT
military experience. The military is out of control (witness the spying, the analyst propaganda, fundies running the Air Force, and all the corruption and waste), and needs a good ass-kicking by an highly-experienced person who knows the ropes, and where the "bodies are buried".
In addition, Clark, and to some extent Webb, would offer foriegn policy experience that Obama does not have. Given Clark's Clinton ties, I think Webb would be the better candidate, and, when you add in his populist bent, he would help make an Obama/Webb ticket a killer team that no Repuglian could stand up against.
by Hornito on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:36:58 PM PDT
after disagreeing with Bush on Iran? Admiral William Fallon has shown some intestinal fortitude for making public an opinion that did not agree with the Whitehouse. I guess I should check his politics before bringing him up, as all I know is about the headlines of his departure and the reason for it. Sorry, busy week.
Someone's sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago. Warren Buffett (1930-, American Investment Entrepreneur)
by Amber6541 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:51:05 PM PDT
But then Clark defended Clinton's Iran vote and Webb capitulated on FISA.
So now I'm more ambivalent. There's a reasonable case for each of them, a reasonable case for Edwards, and a reasonable case for a woman not named Hillary; all three of these approaches have their advantages and disadvantages.
I wish Claire McCaskill had won that close Governor's race in 2004; with that executive experience added to her talents, she would clearly be at the top of my list, and I think she fits the description of appealing to working class voters better than any of the listed VP options in the poll.
Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.
by ShadowSD on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:42:53 PM PDT
Not "lobbiests", whatever that is. Spell check certainly wouldn't allow it.
Fight the Power!
by Dem In VA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:23:35 PM PDT
to change "y" to "ie" when adding "s."
It's completely misplaced, but I'm thinking that is why it is so common -- it is an overcorrection based on faulty application.
by Brooke In Seattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:49:01 PM PDT
Lobbiests just annoys the snot out of me.
My problem - I'll admit it.
by Dem In VA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:46:36 AM PDT
Just my guess.
She'd be a major Clinton supporter jumping ship, plus I think the Pacific time thing is a clear tip off.
Fun to wonder.
by dbratl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:41:28 PM PDT
Linky
Why does John McCain think America should hide from it's enemies?
by drag0n on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:48:39 PM PDT
wide narrow
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