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and his constituents can't say enough good about him.
Go Bobby!
by MrMichaelMT on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:32:43 PM PDT
v.v.v. imp. showdown about to happen. My sense is that the Dems now feel that they have their chess pieces in place. (At least I can have my fantasy, can't I?)
Demand a "voter verified paper trail" in every election, in every state. Sign Rush Holt's Petition for HR. 811.
by SeaTurtle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:29:23 PM PDT
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This should be right up his alley.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." -- Galileo Galilei
by Dittoz on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:30:06 PM PDT
It is my hope that as president, Barack Obama will name a special prosecutor to investigate all of the crimes that this petulant boy emperor has committed. Crimes against humanity. Crimes against the constitution. George Bush belongs in prison.
I wouldn't hold your breath. And I'm sure the reason will be something like, "We need to 'heal' the country, not divide it".
and history will then repeat itself again in a couple of generations.
THANK YOU FOR NOT IMPEACHING THE WAR CRIMINALS AND TERRORIST ENABLERS. Next Stop: Iran. You're on a roll, Congress! -- FUCK, YEAH!!
by STOP George on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:04:13 PM PDT
the dems had their chance(s) to nail the bastards and they didn't do a damn thing. pelosi: off the table; conyers, gimme some money and i'll impeach. go to hell.
by robertlewiws on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:18:05 PM PDT
and you people need to get over Rove. It's over.
by rankles on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:19:37 AM PDT
That SOB and his pals all belong in jail. They are despicable people, and they need to be pursued. Enough of the double standards.
...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean
by dkmich on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:05:19 AM PDT
Dems actually do (force Rove to appear) to finally demonstrate that the Congress does indeed have some authority over an out-of-control executive branch.
Rove is a safe target for the Dems to hunt down, no big impeachment political controversy with going after him.
Also, the House Dems are finally feeling their oats a bit, with their 3 recent special election victories.
Nailing Rove is a really poor substitute for the impeachment of the most criminal admin in our history, but i'll take it, as it is better than nothing, which is what the House Dems have done so far, nothing, as regards the historical Bush/Cheney abuse of power.
by BonzoDogBand on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:11:48 AM PDT
Yeah, maybe when Obama takes over the White House, all the keyboards will have the "O"s removed!??
Remember that ridiculous crap that turned out to be a bunch of GOP manufactured BS?
by Doug in Virginia on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:11:11 AM PDT
<Nailing Rove is a really poor substitute for the impeachment of the most criminal admin in our history, but i'll take it, as it is better than nothing, which is what the House Dems have done so far, nothing, as regards the historical Bush/Cheney abuse of power.>
This would be the equivolent to nailing one of the lieutenants of a crime family but letting the crime bosses off the hook. This would send a message to future would-be despots who have designs for establishing one-man/woman rule over the country that they would have nothing to fear.
by calibpatriot on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:00:09 PM PDT
Because we know he will. He pardoned Libby who had followed Cheney's orders and outed an undercover agent. In time of war, such actions would normally be sufficient to warrant a date with the firing squad at dawn. Short of impeachment, nothing will stop Bush from living out his dream of being King of the United States and having the law serve him.
by pascal on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:49:04 PM PDT
It's the constitution, stupid
by CTMET on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:01:50 AM PDT
So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"
by khereva on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:18:21 AM PDT
Not fuckin' hardly.
"America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other way around. Human rights invented America." -Jimmy Carter
by Bulldawg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:05:42 AM PDT
You have to lance and drain a boil, treat cancer with chemotherapy (with all its side effects), remove an inflamed appendix, and amputate a gangrenous leg.
You don't wait for diseased tissue to heal itself: you have to take ACTION, as drastic as it may be.
And healing action such as this wouldn't necessarily divide the country, but instead might quite possibly unite it, as was the case during the lead-up to Nixon's exit in total disgrace.
It's time people stopped being afraid of these bastards. The tide is turning.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by Donna in Rome on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:26:45 PM PDT
I'm afraid.
(¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯) It's not too late!
by nehark on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:42:20 PM PDT
we probably wouldn't have the current crop of criminals who stuff their pockets while shredding the constitution.
Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers
by groggy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:30:03 PM PDT
Even though it's "Nixon" and not "Nixin", though that is kinda funny.
Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67
by bythesea on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:14:07 AM PDT
was one of the biggest mistakes in American History. Allot of these people that are in the White House were around when Nixon was in office.
by pjbamerica on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:54:33 AM PDT
if one doesn't give a damn about liberty and justice under the law.
Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.
by Simplify on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:35:25 AM PDT
they probably wouldn't be in the White House again today.
by MyBrainWorks on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:54:09 AM PDT
Necrosis- dead tissue- that makes the best metaphor for this suppurating wound on Democracy!
by Septima on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:52:23 AM PDT
Jeeze, people....
by IndianaDemocrat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:35:58 PM PDT
Obama is a professor in constitutional law. Who would know better than he how or if to pursue such a thing?
He, above all, I completely trust to make the right decision. The fact is, we do not know about the sheer number of skeletons Obama would find in the closet if/when he is in the White House. (God grant he IS elected!!!) I am certain that would have a big influence on his decision-making process. And, I think we can trust him to explain it to us like we're adults, instead of Orwellian shepp to be fed propagandistic bullshit.
Now THAT would be a refreshing change. He already is.
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
by The Lighthouse Keeper on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:54:40 PM PDT
....and he didn't investigate Bush or Reagan.
Was that the right decision?
by Corwin Weber on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:53:44 PM PDT
This all started with Ford and Nixon. No one has been held accountable for anything ever since. I am tired of the double standard. From now on, I'm going to do as I please because I'll just declare the law doesn't apply to me. Then after they have me committed .... :)
by dkmich on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:07:59 AM PDT
that Obama won't just be Obama and give these people a free pass.
I don't think a prosecution fits with the Obama narrative.
I'd like to be wrong, but I haven't seen anything yet which suggests otherwise.
"Be kind" - is that a religion?
by ThatBritGuy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:34:27 AM PDT
to investigate appropriately. The man who was too principled to give Philly pols street money isn't going to ignore crime or ignore his promises.
by MrMichaelMT on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:06:18 AM PDT
that was most impressive.
The other factor that may be missing here that may very well make all the difference, Catherine Crier was interviewed on Abrams show and said loud and clear "It's about time!" She explained the situation clearly regarding how this would all unfold. She also stated that she believes in the rule of law and that Congress has no alternative than to proceed in the arrest if Rove does not comply, as the DOJ has already stated it would not enforce a subpeona for Rove's arrest.
If the media gets behind Congress, as they should have been doing all along to protect our rule of law, this is over for anyone who refused to testify.
by bubbalie 517 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:15:43 AM PDT
Caspar W. Weinberger (1988 Several counts of perjury, See Iran-Contra Affair) Elliott Abrams (1988 Two counts of unlawfully withholding information. See Iran-Contra Affair) Duane R. Clarridge (1991 Seven counts of perjury and false statements, See Iran-Contra Affair) Alan D. Fiers (1991 Two misdemeanor counts of withholding information from the Congress, See Iran-Contra Affair) Clair George (1991 Ten counts of perjury, false statements and obstruction) (1992 two felony charges of false statements and perjury before Congress — see Iran-Contra Affair) Robert C. McFarlane (1988 See Iran-Contra Affair)
The rest are here.
by ccyd on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:45:23 AM PDT
Clinton was a Rhodes scholar in political science, not con law.
by MrMichaelMT on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:05:39 AM PDT
"When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings
by Subterranean on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:14:49 AM PDT
Clinton taught constitutional law at the University of Arkansas prior to entering elective politics. Here's a link that references it http://www.cnn.com/...
The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin
by Korkenzieher on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:29:57 PM PDT
We have to force Obama to do it.
by Simplify on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:36:44 AM PDT
and frankly, I'm not interested. As I've said above. I trust him. You might disagree, but his recent record speaks volumes for me.
by The Lighthouse Keeper on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:46:12 AM PDT
You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances.
Yeah, because our current circumstances ain't all that exceptional.
Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.
Except that we already know all of that.
by Simplify on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:10:56 AM PDT
I mean, I like Barack; I'm certainly going to vote for him. But I must admit there's a terrible disconnect between the attitude and the words here. What does he mean, "if" he found out? Seriously, what is there left to find out? These guys haven't just broken the law. They've done it in broad daylight, buck naked, wearing signs saying "PLEASE ARREST ME NOW."
by rlochow on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:28:31 AM PDT
the constitution
When we say worst president in history, we're including the next 200 years as well
by askyron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:40:41 AM PDT
Forget the yellow ribbon thing: Have you joined or donated to Veterans and Military Families for Progress (www.vmfp.org) yet?
by Maura Satchell on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:44:16 AM PDT
stll there, all in one piece. We need an administration that will not disregard it and a Congress willing to do thier job.
This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.
by Batbird on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:31:06 AM PDT
Congress gives most of its power to the President, and there's no accountability. Meanwhile, corporate "persons" sit in the place of what should be a free and independent press.
By all means, let's hold the officials who abused their power to account, but at some point we need to change the structure of government.
by Simplify on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:39:57 AM PDT
t is my hope that as president, Barack Obama will name a special prosecutor to investigate all of the crimes that this petulant boy emperor has committed. Crimes against humanity. Crimes against the constitution. George Bush belongs in prison.
I think it's important for the reason you mention . . .
history will then repeat itself again in a couple of generations.
Look how the same characters and their under-studies keep popping up in new administrations . . .
something like, "We need to 'heal' the country, not divide it".
That is be important, BUT . . . a bi-partisan based on an accountable type of Grand Jury . . . (Not really sure if that has any reality?), or Special Prosecutor that everyone can agree is fair and NOT in the Ken Starr style . . . (again, not that such a person exists, but that they can be seated and allowed to work without serious influences??) . . . or if nothing else, maybe the International Court will offer an Opinion more far reaching then they have already.
Some of these people have caused much greater suffering then many now sitting in American jails, while having caused this suffering in our names! It has to be proved they broke American and/or International laws.
"Old Floppy Mcbush"--bush with added hypocrisy
by ZeroVoices on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:27:43 AM PDT
Obama is a Constitutional lawyer and he is already on the record stating he would investiage any potentially criminal acts by the present administration.
You read it HERE AT DAILY KOS first.
"The half-baked ideas of people are better than the ideas of half-baked people" - Jack Kilby
by koNko on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:28:55 AM PDT
In the past only to have this do nothing congress crush them with their lack of spine.
Could this be the time? Hope so, but I'll wait and see. Fool me once . . . .
by ssuba on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:44:12 AM PDT
why is one pissed off liberal silent on this?!?!? This was his story way back and now he is silent when the ball is rolling!!
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!
by wargolem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:25:37 PM PDT
to anything but a whole lot emails seeking contributions....
Sorry to sound like a cynical bastard and all but I am sooooooo not impressed by Conyers performance.
DON'T THREATEN THE BASTARD! Just arrest his skanky ass and frog march him into the Capitol.
Threats are meaningless since we all know that they don't respond to them being delivered by Democrats; since Democrats never follow through on them.
Want my attention and cash (not that I have a lot being on $836 a month disability), Representative Conyers?
Stop the expulsion of warm air and ACT damn you! Far to much jawing and not enough ass kicking going on.
by skippythebox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:41:18 PM PDT
Does anyone have a total on the number of subpoenas issued by the judiciary committee and duly ignored by members of the Bush administration? what makes this different?
by HiBob on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:53:23 PM PDT
frog marched, lmao...unbelievable.
by rankles on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:23:32 AM PDT
bemoaning the possibility of the administration attacking Iran.
Ok. I bemoan it. Conyers has the tool of impeachment in front of him.
This is one slick, do nothing but sound adamant at the right time, guy. Same for Wexler.
When employees and stock-holders aren't different people, I'll find something else to do.
by oxon on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:35:32 AM PDT
No warnings. Just Do It while he is live on FUX NEWS
You Sacrifice the Thing You Love the Most. I Love My Guitar - Jimi Hendrix
by jds1978 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:53:02 AM PDT
Absolutely awesome.
Makes perfect sense too - they know where he is then, Faux isn't likely to stop them, because it would be such a huge, HUGE scoop (since they'd have it LIVE, first, and they could just interview each other for months about it).
Hell, I wouldn't put it past them to help, just for the ratings.
by mmacdDE on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:41:03 AM PDT
by Subterranean on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:34:39 AM PDT
by Batbird on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:34:45 AM PDT
He talks a pretty story, but when the rubber meets the road, he is hiding under his desk.
There is no follow through with him. He just likes to stir us up, get our hopes up, just to let them come crashing down.
I believe it is time for him to retire. There is not point keeping him in Congress. He doesn't follow through. He drops the ball continually.
We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.
by Eyes Wide Open on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:06:34 PM PDT
...The day he first lost my respect, when he was the floor manager, meaning he led the "one hour" debate for our side against the 2007 Protect America Act[FISA]. It took the Titanic longer to sink than for the 110th Congress to surrender to Bush, and just in time for them to go on their 30 day summer recess!
And the last time he lost my respect, is when he let my Congress member Randy Forbes(R-4th VA) control the time during the questioning of the Mukasey hearings on enforcing subpoena & contempt charges against Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten, allowing Forbes to "save" Mukasey "by the bell", when Wexler and others on our side had Mukasey clinging to the ropes for dear life, who was sweating bullets and looking like he was about to stroke out!
That was the final straw which broke the camel's back for me. I haven't respected Conyers once since those two days.
"Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan
by ImpeachKingBushII on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:47:48 AM PDT
... until I moved a few years ago.
Conyers is maddening. He says everything right and sends out mail and other communications that threaten to do plenty of things that we want badly.
But then it never gets acted on. He drove me crazy.
I've always heard rumblings around here that he would be far more active if the House Leadership would only let him. It sounds like a convenient excuse to me though.
"Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse
by gsbadj on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:02:41 AM PDT
"Conyers is maddening. He says everything right and sends out mail and other communications that threaten to do plenty of things that we want badly."
Yes: that is his MO. He makes all sorts of noise, followed by a pitch for donations.
Spare me, John Conyers: I've seen the way you work too many times to be fooled again.
by Frenchy Lamour on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:34:29 PM PDT
In all the many years he was my congressman, he NEVER hit up anyone for $. That was one thing he never did. His district is so safe that he really doesn't need $ other than to give to others.
And, in some talks with the local free newspaper (Metro Times), the tenor is that he is hamstrung by the House leadership. I got the impression that he'd have loved to had hearings leading toward impeachment but that he was told that he couldn't do it. I'll see if I can't find them.
Again, that might just be convenient but I've come to not trust him to follow through, except with the smallest, most glacial steps.
by gsbadj on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:53:09 AM PDT
See Kagro X's many posts on Inherent Contempt including:
--- "opendna is high and just makin' shit up outta nowhere." - greenskeeper
by opendna on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:37:29 AM PDT
stating he will arrest him period. It is a long email but I know he means it. Karl should be running for Israel or perhaps Switzerland as I said on another diary I hope they put him in cuffs and do a perp walk.
by IngeniousGirl on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:03:12 PM PDT
... of Karl Rove fleeing justice in a white van.
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by dzog on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:13:32 PM PDT
now THAT'S what I'M talkin' about!!! That'll be must-see-teevee!!!
John McCain says "Ah, screw vets"
by GoracleFan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:20:03 PM PDT
... What I'm interested in is the Capture. And the beautiful sight of justice being brought.
If you like Iraq, you're gonna love Iran.
by FundaMental Transformation on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:56:35 PM PDT
by PinHole on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:15:35 PM PDT
Unfortunately I truly do not believe that the Democrats have the balls to arrest Rove. They will feign outrage, whine, maybe even stamp their feet, but when push comes to shove, they will, as always back down. Please prove me wrong Mr. Conyers, because if Congress does not finally show some teeth and get serious about enforcing its contempt orders, the Rethugs will just continue laughing at us, and the 'Merican people will totally lose whatever little respect for the Dem controlled Congress they might still have.
by grizzly on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:27:40 PM PDT
I've never called myself a Democrat, because for the past 14 years it's been synonymous with "gutless coward." Arresting Rove would, well, Roget would have to come out with a new version of his thesaurus.
"Oaths bind not an ill man. Were I minded to do you ill, then lightestly would I swear any oath you desire, and lightestly in the next moment be forsworn."
by jbelac on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:57:19 PM PDT
by TheOpinionGuy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:01:49 AM PDT
Someone had better find it and dust it off. If they're bluffinf, they're being stupid. I don't think they're stupid.
John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.
by Seneca Doane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:27:51 PM PDT
... is I've trusted that the "impeachers" wouldn't act until they felt they had actual substantial evidence to prove their case.
After the whole Bill Clinton thing -- aish! That was awful. It was very unpleasant for all Americans to have the office of the president trashed in a three ring circus. (Of course, since that time, Bush has been able to do that job himself.)
Remember, the FBI just raided the office of special counsel, where Rove supposedly did some work from. That they (judiciary committee?)are acting now, leads me to feel (aka hope with certainty) that they are not bluffing with this.
We shall see.
by FundaMental Transformation on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:46:31 PM PDT
