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    •  Yeah (3+ / 0-)

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      No shit. Coming to theaters near you

    •  yes Gaza where they continue under embargo (2+ / 0-)

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      and the lack of fuel is closing down the whole society. Check out Helen Cobban for a rundown on the situation:

      www.justworldnews.com

    •  How About Condemning Iran? (1+ / 0-)

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      How about condemning the Iranian backed militias that use civilians as shields in Sadr City and Basra?  Amazing that you find the USA at fault. These thugs in Sadr City are not some national liberation force - they are under the pay and tribute of Sadr hiding out in Iran and his masters in Tehran. Iraqi, American, and British forces are taking out the tumor of these militias allowing Sunni and Kurd political parties to come back into the Maliki government creating a united front against Iran and the Madhi Army. This is good news! and will get us out of Iraq sooner than if we sat on our hands and allowed these thugs and criminals to exist.

      But what the hey! Blame America! Works for KOS

      •  amazing that you believe what you wrote above (3+ / 0-)

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        because Iran backed militias in Iraq are known as THE IRAQI ARMY - and are under the control of Badr and Hakim, who are closely aligned with Maliki, and they are not living in Sadr City.

        And Sadr's militia, the Mahdi army, are not hiding behind civilians either.

        THEY LIVE THERE.

        And they are not going away.  

        And we would get out of Iraq sooner is bullshit.  The US authorities, like bush and his cronies (including democrats) HAVE NO PLANS TO EVER LEAVE.

        You are really uninformed. (also - no evidence that Sadr is currently in Iran, but even if he is, he does not have the ties to Iran that Hakim and Maliki do.)

        (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

        by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:27:08 PM PDT

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      •  here's a photo (2+ / 0-)

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        of those people you call

        "These thugs in Sadr City are not some national liberation force - they are under the pay and tribute of Sadr"

        Take a look at that photo..... and realize that most of those men are PAYING SADR whatever they can because they believe in him and believe in Iraq - an Iraq that is free of US and Iranian interference.

        (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

        by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:29:59 PM PDT

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      •  Richie ... (2+ / 0-)

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        Not all of Iran is involved with this dirty illegal war that Bush lied us into and then kept changing the reasons we are there.  There happen to be many civilians there too.  Mothers, fathers, children ... you know people  If you watch the clip you will see that unlike the images of Iran presented by your friends at Fox news, Iran is actually a very cosmopolitan country.

         

        Should we bomb them because they are engaging in the same type of behavior we are (fighting a war in another country)?

        If we were not in Iraq our soldiers would not be targets for any militias; Shia militias backed by Iran or Sunni (Al Qeada) militias backed by the Saudi Royal family ( you know Bush's buddies).  Sorry to break it to you Richie, but the solution to your upset is not more war and bombing every country you have disagreements with.  It is realizing we are ALL interconnected and war solves NOTHING.

         Get past the "them and us" mentality Richie ... you'll sleep better at night.

        •  I agree with everything you said (1+ / 0-)

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          except the "you'll sleep better at night" statement.  Realizing that we are all interconnected and seeing the suffering and evil done to our brothers and sisters by the stupid ones (who are also our brothers and sisters) does not lead to sleeping better at night.... not at all.

          (¯`*._(¯`*._(-IMPEACH-)_.*´¯)_.*´¯)

          by dancewater on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:53:16 PM PDT

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      •  read my lips: SCIRI and Dawa are the Tehran (1+ / 0-)

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        sponsored groups; the Mahdi army is very nationalistic and al Sadr is very much opposed to Khomeinism.
        The Sunnis are old line Baathists, supported by the Saudis, we are paying to behave while the Kurds Pesh Merga is supporting PKK raids on Turkish territory.  There has been no large capture of Iranian arms from Mahdi Army sources nor have theie been captures of Qod operatives training Mahdi Army types.
        There are some 50 militias active in Iraq. I think you will find that the attacks on Sadr City are an attempt by the US to clear away a deadzone around the Green Zone so the GZ will not be under daily rocket and mortar fire as it now.

        As to our plans for the Middle East, Taliban operatives penetrated 18 rings of security around the imperial palace in Kabul to take potshots at Karzai and his officials. Only 3 guards were killed but the Taliban had Israeli made minimortars that Olmert had provided to Fatah and Abbas.

        Makes one wonder if the al Arabiya view of Iraq really has any ties to reality instead of military wishful thinking.      

      •  here is your problem with your analysis rich 199 (0+ / 0-)

        are not some national liberation force -

        No, the Mahdi Army is not "the " liberation force but they are the most consistent ones wanting an independent Iraq. Good question:

          Who is now among the true  national liberation forces?

          Who is asking for all foreign fighters to leave Iraq? What foreign fighters are in Iraq? Maliki and the Badr corp militias are closer to Iran than the Mahdi Army  He took refuge there and lived there for years. The Iraqis want an independent Iraq without a foreign occupier, be that USA or Iran.

         Right now there is an unofficial deal between Iran and the the US to keep the genuine forces opposed to either at bay.  The Sunnis that were marginalized for the last several years are now on the payroll to keep them OUT of the fight and allow Maliki a free hand.

          The Mahdi Army has been in stand down officially since last summer.  That has allowed Maliki to regroup and make a move against them because they are his rivals in the Shia community.  At some point the Sunni and Shia elements that want their own Iraq will get together and demand the foreigners leave.
        The UN mandate that was extended is over in December.

          The Iraqi parliament has been asking unofficially because Maliki refuses to have a vote on it for the USA to declare a date they will leave.

         What the Bushies and the neocons refuse to face is that there is no reliable partner for the USA in Iraq. There are only the bought, like Maliki and his Dawa which is a small Shia party with no militia of its own, the several groupings of Sunni Awakening who are on the payroll, and the Iraqi Army which is mostly Shia Badr Corp, Virtue,  and others and Kurds with minimum Sunni of any kind.

         After 4 years of "training" they still have no real
        enthusiasm to launch and fight a civil war at Maliki and Ambassador Crocker's direction.  Iran is supporting  groups that are friendly to them. It happens to be a large, large part of southern Iraq and beyond.

          Iranians want a peaceful  neighbor, not a civil war spilling beyond borders. The Cheney/Bushies just want a bigger war.

        Every Democrat out there has flaws. We don't obsess about them endlessly or throw the flaws in their faces, we help them up and keep our cause moving forward.

        by Pete Rock on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:36:30 PM PDT

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        •  Iran was a 'peaceful' Iraq? (0+ / 1-)

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          "Iranians want a peaceful  neighbor, not a civil war spilling beyond borders. The Cheney/Bushies just want a bigger war."

          I think its safe to say you have been drinking from the Tehran Kool-Aid stand.  The bizarre views of people like you who will highlight the weakness you and the Democratic party want the USA to project, endangering all of us.  I'm happy to say we have McCain as our likely next President to protect us from the likes of you.

          •  This isn't a John McCain war promoting site (0+ / 0-)

            You must be lost. His campaign is out there somewhere if you keep searching. Bye.

            Every Democrat out there has flaws. We don't obsess about them endlessly or throw the flaws in their faces, we help them up and keep our cause moving forward.

            by Pete Rock on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:52:54 AM PDT

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            •  views you project will endanger all of us (0+ / 0-)

              yes especially your fascist, warmongering buddies who make millions of the blood of innocents. you can go to hell. And I will cheerfully help put you there. You have no e'ffin clue, your mind is made up and there is no sense there except your war for profit mentality.

              Your campaign is a loser your stinking crappy little war project is a loser and you?   JURY IS OUT, BUT YOU AREN'T GETTING OUT UNSCATHED EITHER.

              Get the quote right for a start to get your brain engaged.

              "Iran wa(nt)s a peaceful Iraq". yeah right. you can't even read just like your mentor, like the senile fool you butt lick.

              Every Democrat out there has flaws. We don't obsess about them endlessly or throw the flaws in their faces, we help them up and keep our cause moving forward.

              by Pete Rock on Sun May 04, 2008 at 08:01:17 AM PDT

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