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Welcome to America, where the problem of voter fraud is so grave we can't trust a nun anymore.
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by Adam B on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:20:10 PM PDT
I told my friends about the problem of requiring photo ID.
I never thought of the clergy, or the nuns, though. Ever.
"People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V
by MikeTheLiberal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:23:21 PM PDT
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That should be a talking point for why photo ID requirements suppress American's right to vote.
by brooklynliberal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:36:17 PM PDT
Forget those non-driving Nuns! This country started with only white male land owners voting, and bush's crony scalia-slime would like to return to the "original intent" of the constitution- just ignore all those pesky amendments, and of course his hunting buddy cheney doesn't bother with the constitution at all.
by MD patriot on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:38:40 PM PDT
bush's crony scalia-slime would like to return to the "original intent" of the constitution-
The Founding Fathers had Photo ID's?
-7.12/-5.95
by MooseHB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:17:13 PM PDT
But that's a different kettle of, er, fish altogether.
So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"
by khereva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:22:11 PM PDT
That GOB lives in Joe-juh..........
Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.
by vets74 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:15:55 PM PDT
felons and illegal immigrants dress up as aged nuns in order to vote. I am glad that the Republic has been defended against FAUX NUNS trying to subvert our Democracy.
I am sure the Scalia and Roberts are SO PROUD OF THEMSELVES!!!! I know I am!
by Tackle on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:07:11 PM PDT
and he knows everything! Doesn't he?
by Tackle on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:44 PM PDT
Boston Legal a couple of weeks ago had Alan Shore arguing a case before the Supreme Court, and things weren't going well...
Scalia: "I'll ask you to leave your personal politics out of this."
Shore: "And I ask you to do exactly the same! The Supreme Court was intended to be free and unadulterated by poltiics. It is now dominated by it. You're handpicked by presidents with ideological agendas, and of the 2 dozen 5-4 decisions in your 2006-2007 term, 19 broke straight across ideological lines. That's politics. And while you claim to be against judicial activism, you rewrote--check that, invented--new law to decide a presidential election, for God's sake. If that's the way it's going to be, then at least have the decency to put your names on ballots, like the rest of the politicians, so that we the people get a voice."
The whole thing is perfect, Crooks and Liars has the video.
by thatvisionthing on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:19:03 PM PDT
by MooseHB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:33:23 PM PDT
That'd be a kettle of penguins.
Please don't accuse me of being a puffinphobe or a wimperphobe.
by MooseHB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:32:50 PM PDT
Old folks won't be able to vote for McCain in November!
< /snark >
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by MarkInSanFran on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:26:22 PM PDT
There has to be an invisible sun / That gives us hope when the whole day's done -Police
by rightiswrong on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:44:05 PM PDT
but rec'd for your sig.
by democracy inaction on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:48 PM PDT
My eyes are so bad! (Your rec made me look twice ~:-)
by thatvisionthing on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:25:22 PM PDT
Suppressing the elderly vote. Fantastic. I need to go make sure my Grandparents have up to date passports in case a photo-id law gets passed here. I'd hate to see an election worker get beat with a walker.
-6.75 -5.03
by Ludi on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:24:22 PM PDT
hope it's that asshole that denied these ladies their right to vote.
impeachment-it does the body good impeachment-it isn't just for blow jobs anymore impeachment-i can say no more i expect no less
by playtonjr on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:56:17 PM PDT
when she died the end of last year. Her drivers license had expired a few years before and she was in her 80's.
Let's get some Democracy for America
by murphy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:04:33 PM PDT
for absentee ballots!
Shake my left hand, man, it's closer to my heart. - Jimi Hendrix to Robert Fripp
by The Lighthouse Keeper on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:09:44 PM PDT
Latinos and African Americans. We'll add a Nun's are OK amendment next time we go to the Supreme Court.....
Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.
by dweb8231 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:34:42 PM PDT
... Obama would only be 3/5ths of a candidate.
by MikeTheLiberal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:49:17 PM PDT
by thatvisionthing on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:26:30 PM PDT
...i don't know if that would be a winning argument or not!
"We've always taken care of you; why do you want to leave home?" And America's the girl taking Barack Obama's arm: "But Mom I love him!"-Mort Sahl
by carpediva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:46:31 PM PDT
They should all be there in person to explain to the nuns why they're not allowed to vote.
Are you better off now than you were eight years ago?
by MJB on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:20:03 PM PDT
by khereva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:22:38 PM PDT
one am very glad..Purgatory seeemed so hot and scareee, with torture and stufff..Somthing like Abu Ghaib..So all we learned about purgatory in catachismic classes ? Forget about it and moveon.org..One less thing for us to wurry about
"Better a little late, than a little never"..Julian Winston
by Johnny Rapture on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:42:46 PM PDT
Halliburton got the contract for hell, though.
by khereva on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:11:04 PM PDT
that limbo bar and you will be a starr..Singing baak to baaak, belly to belly..dont give a damn, done that already..KT
by Johnny Rapture on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:49:38 PM PDT
Imagine that.
by debedb on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:48:37 PM PDT
And actually, scary as it might seem, it really represents a "normal" sinner's (i.e. most of us, I imagine) only hope of eventually getting to Heaven, since it's temporary: Hell would be permanent.
It's Limbo that's been done away with.
Now I wonder what has become of all those unbaptized, innocent but Original Sin-stained babies who had allegedly ended up there all these centuries.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by Donna in Rome on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:56:54 PM PDT
Hopefully the Raptures will provide the answer for those left behind to be tortured..G'damn..I dont like vengeful Gawds..
by Johnny Rapture on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:13:15 AM PDT
Just wondering...
by PeterHug on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:48:53 PM PDT
I just got off the phone (GOTV for Barack) with a college student. She's from out of state and doesn't drive. She showed up with her student ID and SS card, and, predictably, turned her away.
There goes one vote for Barack.
"I will veto every single beer." ~John McCain
by BLin22 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:48:24 PM PDT
because she can get an in-state ID, or sign an affadavit which says that she cannot afford the costs of the ID. - If she does that within 10 days of voting.
Why isnt the obama campaign educating people about this?????????
One can get a rush copy of the birth cert from state of birth (or in case of student possibly from parents?)
If you love Bush, Vote John McCain '08
by biscobosco on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:25:49 PM PDT
Wouldn't that qualify as a state ID?
I am here to represent the democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
by Josiah Bartlett on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:05:37 PM PDT
It's been a while since I graduated from college, but the ID I had didn't even list my then-current address. Maybe things have changed or maybe not. (Given the fight over "Real ID," I suspect they have; but I need to hear from someone out there to be sure.) Also, what does Indiana law say about college students "residing" in their dorms? In Iowa, they're in, in NY, they're out.
I'm not asking you to take the country back, I'm asking you to take it forward-Van Jones.
by Judge Moonbox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:57:15 PM PDT
The rule is that you are not considered a resident if you're just there temporarily and are planning to return.
If, on the other hand, a college student decides that they're going to stay in-state after college, and gets an apartment over the summer, and stuff like that, they are resident. Period.
-5.63, -8.10 | Impeach, Convict, Remove & Bar from Office, Arrest, Indict, Convict, Imprison!
by neroden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:44:19 PM PDT
5/9 of Supreme Court- dissing the nuns. Hope they get their lousy knuckles rapped.
You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley
by murrayewv on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:49:32 PM PDT
with the thought that for a thousand nuns who were kept from voting, there was ONE (1) fraudulent voter who was kept from fouling the integrity of the voting process by casting ONE (1) ballot to which they were not entitled.
by Judge Moonbox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:01:11 PM PDT
the nuns would vote Democratic? God is merciful...
Too much sanity may be madness. The maddest of all is to see the world as it is and not as it should be. Don Quixote "Man of La Mancha"
by Ginny in CO on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:15:23 PM PDT
Never thought about nuns in the voting booth. Of course they are elderly - I rarely see nuns under 70 around here.
The truth always matters.
by texasmom on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:45:20 PM PDT
the Catholic Church doesn't seem to be all that popular with the young people.
No idea why.
Obama/Kennedy '08
by Yirmiyahu on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:28:11 PM PDT
and my mom worked at St Mary's for many years. There is a "retirement" convent on campus at St Mary's plus another "retirement" convent here in Mishawaka. ALOT of old nuns.
For all the obvious reasons, this pissed me off.
Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado- Menander
by paddykraska on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:34:05 PM PDT
I have an elderly relative who is a retired priest. He's in NYC and gave up driving years ago and doesn't travel anymore either so his passport is long expired. He would not be able to vote if NY had Indiana's requirements. And yes he votes faithfully.
Oh yeah this would specifically harm Catholic clergy so I'm sure that the good Rev. Hagee and his buddy John McCain won't mind a bit....
Annie
by akeitz on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:10:04 PM PDT
Catholics in the General if this stuff gets highlighted.
by brooklynliberal on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:10:13 PM PDT
True dat. But maybe it would swing a few Catholics in the General if this stuff gets highlighted.
So who's going to get this highlighted, given the mainstream media's Limbaugh dancing? They'll be too busy establishing Obama's Guilt by Association with Rev. Wright to pay attention to who the Indiana law bumps from the political process.
by Judge Moonbox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:05:42 PM PDT
mum in a wheelchair though, mike? who'd have thought anyone so depraved in their need to perpetuate the ongoing voter suppression and fraud KKKarl Rove tossed into the game when he crawled out from the bottom of thae cesspool in which he was spawned...
by playtonjr on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:53:52 PM PDT
but another nun who was working the polls. Must have broken her heart to have to do it. Of course, unlike some elections judges, she was being sure to play by the rules, like 'em or not.
If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.
by marykk on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:03:45 PM PDT
If the Powers that Be had any genuine sympathy for the elderly, they wouldn't have treated the Palm Beach County voters who cast their votes in error in 2000 as a bunch of "Macular Degenerates." We should call this episode "Butterfly Ballot II: The case of the Nuns without Photo IDs."
by Judge Moonbox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:09:03 PM PDT
trusted nuns.
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by DemocraticLuntz on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:26:50 PM PDT
is Jewish.
I don't think nuns were ever a big part of his education...
Yes, We Can
by litho on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:28:35 PM PDT
All I knew about nuns, really, was that I was told during interscholastic competitions that the parochial school students would end up getting thwacked by the nuns' rules if were were better mathletes/debaters/whatever than they were.
by Adam B on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:30:21 PM PDT
To be fair, if this rule is to be applied to anyone, I'm glad it is being applied to everyone -- and I'm glad it's happening now rather than November. Horror stories like this, and there should be plenty of them today (if we remember to document them), will provide a basis for federal action pre-empting these laws -- not until next year, unfortunately -- as well as (I suppose, possibly) for an as-applied challenge to them.
John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.
by Seneca Doane on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:33:21 PM PDT
From the Railway Express concurrence:
The framers of the Constitution knew, and we should not forget today, that there is no more effective practical guaranty against arbitrary and unreasonable government than to require that the principles of law which officials would impose upon a minority must be imposed generally. Conversely, nothing opens the door to arbitrary action so effectively as to allow those officials to pick and choose only a few to whom they will apply legislation, and thus to escape the political retribution that might be visited upon them if larger numbers were affected. Courts can take no better measure to assure that laws will be just than to require that laws be equal in operation.
The framers of the Constitution knew, and we should not forget today, that there is no more effective practical guaranty against arbitrary and unreasonable government than to require that the principles of law which officials would impose upon a minority must be imposed generally. Conversely, nothing opens the door to arbitrary action so effectively as to allow those officials to pick and choose only a few to whom they will apply legislation, and thus to escape the political retribution that might be visited upon them if larger numbers were affected.
Courts can take no better measure to assure that laws will be just than to require that laws be equal in operation.
by Adam B on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:36:27 PM PDT
Scalia blows a gasket when any other justice tries to apply Bush v. Gore to any other case.
by Timothy J on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:07:39 PM PDT
because it would be discrimination not to consider us all as terrorists, for the purposes of spying on us, etc. I little rational thinking is so dangerous if not balanced with common sense and memory and compassion, at least.
...do the elites...actually believe that society can be destroyed by anyone except those who lead them? - John Ralston Saul -
by Silverbird on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:11:41 PM PDT
we don't even need any evidence of it to pass laws that burden the fundamental right to vote. If Republican operatives say it's happening, that's good enough!
I am aware of all internet traditions
by mcfly on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:27:17 PM PDT
to commit widespread fraud by misrepresenting yourself at the polls. You would need to know the name and address of someone registered in that precinct and know that they won't be coming to vote. If this were happening at all it would be rare.
by wvhillrunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:42:16 PM PDT
... you'd have to know that no election official was familiar with that person.
by Adam B on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:44:10 PM PDT
this whole voter ID thing is totally bogus... it's basically a 'guilty of potential voter fraud' before proven innocent of just going to go vote.
it's a disgrace!
Obama '08
by chiefsjen on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:49:48 PM PDT
this whole voter ID thing is totally bogus
you up all the way.
Much like 'supply-side economics, the RW hasn't been able to identify widespread problems with this, anywhere [other than the widespread problem of, people-unlikely-to-vote-Republican actually, you know, voting].
by Timothy J on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:11:11 PM PDT
start to finish. Remember all the pressure on the US Attorneys to find and prosecute cases of voter fraud? And didn't some get fired for not doing so?
It's clearly part of the Republican Party grand strategy, courtesy of Karl Rove, John Ashcroft, and other fine citizens who do not believe in democracy.
The example of the recently married woman struck me - I hadn't thought about it before, but name changes due to marriage, divorce, or whatever will certainly be a problem. I remember when I got married - it took quite a while for me to get my new IDs in order.
by Leap Year on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:10:41 PM PDT
is the counting fraud.
by Josiah Bartlett on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:22:58 PM PDT
(if you are the Republicans) to rig the vote in numerour ways, especially when your policies are scaring people away in droves!
by Leap Year on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:46 PM PDT
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, in his Rolling Stone article, documented some widespread fraud in 12 rural counties in Ohio:
An examination of election data suggests widespread fraud -- and even good old-fashioned stuffing of ballot boxes -- in twelve sparsely populated counties scattered across southern and western Ohio: Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert and Warren. (See The Twelve Suspect Counties) One key indicator of fraud is to look at counties where the presidential vote departs radically from other races on the ballot. By this measure, John Kerry's numbers were suspiciously low in each of the twelve counties -- and George Bush's were unusually high.
Of course, you can be sure that if the voters here were actual people, any ID they lacked was not an issue.
by Judge Moonbox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:34:01 PM PDT
credibly scribbling that person's signature in the voter book - which I believe is referred to as fraud....
Democracy is a contact sport...
by jsmagid on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:23:16 PM PDT
that no friends, coworkers, etc. vote in that precinct, and would call you by your real name. In my diary on the Crawford decision, I noted that the (hypothetical) fraudulent voter would be more inclined to vote absentee because of such risks.
I do think we're lucky that the Indiana primary came a little over a week after the Crawford decision was handed down. Enough people should still remember it when they hear about the nuns being barred from the polls. Perhaps now, the R. A. T. S. wish they had issued it after the primary was over.
by Judge Moonbox on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:20:12 PM PDT
one of the most important things you can do right now is to go to the polls, talk to people who are coming away from the polls shocked at having their right to vote denied, and collect and document these stories. I hope you'll share them here.
by Seneca Doane on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:30:27 PM PDT
Which is bad enough. Was it already in effect while being heard by the court?
by OR indie on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:36:09 PM PDT
by Adam B on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:36:57 PM PDT
