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So let me get this... a 19-yr-old kid from WI is an SD but a former Democratic nominee for president is not?
I sincerely hope this primary ends the idiotic system we've put together.
"This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." - Barack Obama (3.18.08)
by lapis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:01:11 AM PDT
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Obama or Die!
by bigmikek7 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:09:54 AM PDT
Those Super delegates aren't so super after all.
by dannyinla on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:12:19 AM PDT
was to prevent the party from ever nominating a McGovern or a Carter again.
Of course he's not a super delegate. I'd be almost certain that he was the reason the party did not include past nominees as qualified super delegates.
Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966
by textus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:19:47 AM PDT
but he ran at the absolutely wrong time, and was dragged down by a number of confounding and ridiculous factors (sandbagged by rightist elements in his own party, the aborted Eagleton vice-presidential selection, etc.) plus he had to run against Nixon, who ran the dirtiest campaigns until Son of Bush came along.
"Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."--Alice's Restaurant
by ekthesy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:37:15 AM PDT
And the American people made a serious mistake by picking someone who looked tough instead of someone who actually was tough. Nixon's tapes show just how emotionally insecure he was.
It wouldn't be the first time the electorate made that mistake and -- as you know from the past eight years -- it wouldn't be the last.
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by darrelplant on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:21:09 AM PDT
...on a good day I bowl a 19
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:31:44 AM PDT
Because he wasn't elected. And don't knock the DNC dude -- it's important that we have a range of superdelegates. I, for one, would not want them all to be white men of a certain age.
"Not just with words, but with deeds." -- Barack Obama
by kath25 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:14:12 AM PDT
One of the huge problems in this system is that a large number of the SDs don't have a constituency of voters. Dem insiders elect other Dem insiders and call them important.
We shouldn't have SDs at all, but we definitely shouldn't have ones that don't have to face voters in an election.
by lapis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:20:12 AM PDT
there wouldn't be any superdelegates under 25, would there? And are there any Congressfolk under 30?
I mean, as a young voter, I want to have my interests at least acknowledged. That's what the Young Democrats are for.
by kath25 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:23:25 AM PDT
There shouldn't be any superdelegates at all. The rules for delegate selection developed in 1970 were designed to include under-represented groups: women, minorities, youth. Because the superdelegate system has so many "white, male" members it actually overrides that and the pledged delegate balance has to be adjusted to maintain overall representation.
What ends up happening is that the unpledged delegates are still overwhelmingly older, whiter, and more manly.
by darrelplant on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:30:51 AM PDT
was elected to his position by Democratic Party voters in his area.
by Big River Bandido on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:09:10 AM PDT
That's one of the many problems with our current primary system.
by lapis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:18:05 AM PDT
His position is to represent the members of the Democratic Party in his jurisdiction.
It makes no sense for you to complain; you have a role in that process, should you choose to accept it. If you want input into who your superdelegates are, all you have to do is show up to Democratic Central Committee meetings in your area, and vote.
In other words, if you feel somehow "disenfranchised" by the party rules, well...you have only yourself to blame, for not participating.
by Big River Bandido on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:27:09 AM PDT
We shouldn't have SDs with the power to overturn the voters. And the SDs we have should be elected by "the people," not Dem insiders.
by lapis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:19:31 AM PDT
Superdelegates are not elected by "Democratic insiders". They are elected by Democratic voters who choose to participate in party governance. You are eligible to vote in Democratic Party elections in your area — if you so choose. For you to argue that SDs are not "elected by the people" is completely disingenuous when you have abdicated your own role in the process.
In other words, if you don't participate in elections for which you are eligible to do so, you look pretty silly whining about the process or the result.
by Big River Bandido on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:33:55 PM PDT
Maybe McGovern should be a SD, but saying a voter shouldn't be a SD due to his age is ridiculous. It's that close-mindedness that disaffects youth to begin with. We have pretty good ideas if you listen to us.
by aebudde on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:52:42 PM PDT
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