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This is my first diary in almost four years. In fact, I hadn't even commented until yesterday. Be kind.
by steina on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:27:37 PM PDT
good stuff 2240!
from someone who remembers you from when, 2046
Get involved...VOLUNTEER...yes.we.can.
by kid oakland on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:44:28 PM PDT
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You people are just tourists.
Prof. McCainBy Iraq, is Pakistan near,While Czechoslovakia's here.Sunnis are Shi'a,Sudan is Somalia,and Putin's the German premier.
by Michael D on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:55:53 PM PDT
the Barack people scare them
a Dem Party rooted in large part West of the Mississippi cares them
they favor known loyal people
it hasn't worked well in a long time
but it is what they know
Carter South
Clinton Midwest/Center/South
Change is scary and what we need
Go Obama
Tax Paradigms, Feed Imaginations
by jhpdb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:07:37 PM PDT
The fifty state strategy is as of yet untested in a Nationwide election... but this is definitely the best year to test it. The RNC, RSCC, and RCCC (or whatever their house team is) don't have NEARLY enough money to spend on TRADITIONALLY competitive speeches.
---- now they sit and rattle their bones and think of their bloodstone days...
by TooFolkGR on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:15:28 AM PDT
The RNC, RSCC, and RCCC (or whatever their house team is) don't have NEARLY enough money to spend on TRADITIONALLY competitive speeches states.
Sorry running on 2-3 hours of sleep here.
by TooFolkGR on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:26:19 AM PDT
Come on! Have you heard McCain speak? They aren't going to be competitive on speeches, either!
Because for Zen surrealism, you can't beat living in the Bible Belt...
by salvador dalai llama on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:38:08 AM PDT
Who will stop this war of lies? Keith Olbermann May 23rd, 2007
by Ed in Montana on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:35:13 PM PDT
I say, why settle for two digits when you can have SIX, baby!
Join us in the Grieving Room on Monday evenings to discuss mourning and loss.
by Dem in the heart of Texas on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:12:20 PM PDT
and as a recent member may I just say that I am sick and tired of learning the interesting details of the Democratic party. What works, what doesn't work. How we can make a difference. I mean, why would I sit here and learn all this information about Utah...and you know, all this stuff about the Democratic party on a local and national level.
I'm so sick of this, I will be forced to tip and rec it.
Take that you low UIDers!!!
Rupert Murdoch is on the Associated Press Board of Directors!!!
by Lava20 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:01:12 PM PDT
Maybe I can buy one on ebay.
If we lose in 2008, the Supreme Court is simply lost, for practical purposes, for all of our lifetimes.
by alliedoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:09:27 PM PDT
You're welcome. :)
May this find you in good health and good spirits, and if you're lucky, under the influence of the latter.
by Dapremonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:47:08 PM PDT
mouse) over your name underneath a comment, and look down at the left-hand corner of your screen. You'll see the Daily Kos URL appear on the status bar, followed by a number. That's it.
You can find out anyone's that way.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by Donna in Rome on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:39:19 AM PDT
when you click on your comment rec number, and it brings up the list of people who rec'd? They are in order of User ID, low to high! Never knew that before... at first, I thought everyone who had rec'd me just happened to have four-digit IDs... :D
by Dem in the heart of Texas on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:22:50 PM PDT
by alliedoc on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:25:56 PM PDT
Rats.
by alliedoc on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:27:42 PM PDT
by griz4u on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:27:10 AM PDT
has a single digit.
I won't be complacent this time. Been there, done that, got the orange jumpsuit.
by Nowhere Man on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:38:26 PM PDT
John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.
by Seneca Doane on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:37:44 AM PDT
The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier
by N in Seattle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:16:12 PM PDT
...the newbees salute you.
by BlueStateRedhead on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:30:57 PM PDT
Coming from a newbie ...
by mapantsula on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:29:14 AM PDT
The spirits tell me that you both signed up on October 21st, 2003. That is all.
Don't ask me how I know. ;-)
America: Show your support for it with more than jingoistic slogans or leave it.
by CJB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:27:02 PM PDT
Maine, where I live as one of the only Black people in the state, and Vermont are tied with 96.7% white populations.
Utah "only" has a 93.5% white population.
Wyoming and Idaho are whiter than Utah.
But I'm down with your sentiment.
Obama does well in the whitest states because there is no atmosphere of racial animosity. It's hard to hate what you don't see.
Brilliantly blessed are those who walk with courage through the depths of the own fear, for they will Love from the bottom of their heart.
by Craig Hickman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:25:16 AM PDT
whiter, and Whitest of States?
"We the People of the United States..." -U.S.Constitution
by elwior on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:48:57 AM PDT
Which is why Hillary Rodham Clinton's latest race baiting is a flatout lie.
by Craig Hickman on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:39:31 PM PDT
This is such a good read! How dare you have remained silent for so long?!?!?!
Ain't that 50-state strategy something? It's been shaking stuff up all over the place.
John McCain voted against health care for kids.
by Land of Enchantment on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:44:44 PM PDT
Obama is as much of (or even more) the product of his white Kansan mother as his Kenyan father. Race is still such a sharp divide that we are forced to view people as one or the other.
I say give us the candidate who understands that when the supply curve for gasoline is flat, price is determined solely by demand, and that reducing taxes won't affect the price consumers pay, but merely increase profits for suppliers. He's also the guy who believes that although a lot of people might not be able to understand that, that he should still speak the truth (and make it possible for more people go to college and study economics),
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by RudiB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:25:59 PM PDT
I have noticed the big East/West split. I know from my state (Ohio) that there are very strong feelings about the Clintons - they are either loved or hated. The reason Hillary was able to win this state is that there are a lot of Democrats who feel nostalgic about those years. Why is it not the same in the West?
by whenallthestarsarefallingdown on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:47:05 PM PDT
And while I can't speak for everyone, I can say that I don't know many people in Idaho who felt the economic boom that others did in the nineties. Things were slightly better, but not by much.
The vote is "Basic Democracy #1". YOU must preserve it. -edscan
by BoiseBlue on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:50:04 PM PDT
to be rude, impatient, and superior. There's a judgmentalism in easterners that simply doesn't exist in the mountain states. Perhaps it's from the pressures of crowding and hurry. But western people are far more friendly and polite, you have to earn their disrespect and disapproval, in the east you get it for free.
by Urizen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:51:15 PM PDT
the Civil War and Reconstruction...I do believe that plays into Obama's wins in the plains and out West.
Why?
by David Kroning on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:00:16 PM PDT
How long a war pollutes. It might be wise if we factored that in to the cost before we decide to preemptively attack another copuntry.
by Urizen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:07:24 PM PDT
with my daugther. She asked me what happened, and I said "our lives just changed forever."
by David Kroning on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:09:10 PM PDT
My daughter was 16 years old. I got her out of bed when I awoke to the news on the radio (this being Alaska time). We turned on the telly to the only station we get, PBS out of Juneau. I told her that her world just changed forever.
The great tragedy of Science, the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. T. H. Huxley
by realalaskan on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:15:02 PM PDT
if he goes with the 50-State strategy and contests it?
by elwior on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:54:58 AM PDT
this state. Way too many kool aid drinkers up here. They brew their own special flavor in these parts.
by realalaskan on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:52:03 PM PDT
McCain's all flippity floppity.
by duckhunter on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:30:01 PM PDT
because the people who were fed up with all that crap 100 yrs ago went west to escape it.
It always amazes me to think that in her childhood, my Mom (born in 1922) had family members who might have REMEMBERED the Civil War.
So some of those late 50s/60s white voters who would never, ever vote for a black man are only 2, maybe 3, generations removed from the horrors of the Civil War.
It's not so distant to them. And I suspect some of them still hold grudges.
There are places in Europe (and we all know where they are) that are still fighting battles to avenge relatives from 400 yrs ago. We're not so different, even though we like to think we are.
by mmacdDE on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:11:13 AM PDT
from other dark periods in our history.
The settlement of the West was based on the extinction of Native Americans and the exploitation of Chinese laborers. I can't say that our treatment of Mexicans makes my heart swell with pride either.
We all got baggage.
I am proud to be a native Westerner. I think we are a friendlier bunch and it takes longer to really piss us off. We do dress funny sometimes.
My dogs think I'm smart and pretty.
by martydd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:58:45 AM PDT
nor do we suffer from feelings of resentment.
Daily Kos is my imaginary friend.
by hhex65 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:35:08 PM PDT
So what's there to be resentful about? And the pesky lawmen ride horses and can't cross your ridiculously square boarders either.
"Furthermore, I think Nader should be destroyed!"
by Zebras on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:25:30 PM PDT
Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah The first territorial legislature of the Wyoming Territory granted women suffrage in 1869.[16] In the following year, the Utah Territory followed suit. However, in 1887, the United States Congress disenfranchised Utah women with the Edmunds–Tucker Act. In 1890, Wyoming was admitted to the Union as the first state that allowed women to vote. In 1893, voters of Colorado made that state the second of the woman suffrage states.[17] In 1895, Utah adopted a constitution restoring the right of woman suffrage. Colorado was the first state where men voted to give women the right to vote.
History of women's suffrage in the United States
The history of the western states shows a profound difference in thought, ideas , attitudes and politics.
Though short-lived - the west also spawned the Populist Party
Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by Deoliver47 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:34:09 AM PDT
a sweeping generalization... ;^)
-7.88, -6.97 Ralph Nadir : the lowest point in the 2000 election that brought us the lowest point of our nation's history.
by Latex Solar Beef on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:38:58 PM PDT
that sounds like, that is...
by Latex Solar Beef on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:39:35 PM PDT
by kleger on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:40:35 PM PDT
we actually joke about the fact that only people on the Coasts "get" irony!
...on a good day I bowl a 19
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:44:08 PM PDT
are you a Westerner who's superior to Easterners who are superior, or are you a superior Easterner? Or are you being ironic??
Now don't go and pretend there's more than two types of people in the country by bringing midwesterners into this -- that's three whole varieties of people; there can't possibly be that many different kinds in one country...
by kleger on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:17:22 PM PDT
I'm totally schizophrenic!
That's it, I'm packing up and moving to an island!
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:48:03 PM PDT
and over here on a family visit, but who currently lives in the West having also lived on both coasts during my chequered career - I say and say it loud you have all sorts of people everywhere.
Today I prefer the space, the light and feeling of freedom of my latest adopted state of New Mexico. Strikes me we all have tons of work to do to overcome our inherent prejudices and biases, whether rooted in race, creed, age or gender.
If we want to change the world or re-make the world we need to compromise on the image we choose to make the change in. E pluribus unum, maybe, finally?
by soccergrandmom on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:15:54 AM PDT
I now understand why they dislike the Clintons so much, having seen how they campaigned against Obama. They take their opponent's popular ideas, repackage them, and deliver them as their own, all while having no intention whatsoever of actually implementing those ideas. HRC has done this repeatedly, from when she morphed into the "change candidate" for NH, to "yes she will!", to "35 years of change". It's the triangulation, whereby the Clintons calibrate their rhetoric to contain just enough of their opponent's positions to sway the middle and garner a plurality of votes. Once elected, they have no cohesive agenda based on any principles, since their only principle is winning. Thus we get lots of tinkering around the edges of vast institutional problems, and the public is fooled into thinking something is actually being done. Ultimately, the Clintons have anti-values, since their triangulation ends up watering down the values of both the left and the right into a drink that tastes like neither, yet is somehow vile to both ends of the political spectrum. It is no accident that the democratic party was at its weakest point in the post-war era in 2000, after 8 years of Clinton.
"When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings
by Subterranean on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:43:38 AM PDT
Westerners find easterners to be rude, impatient, and superior. There's a judgmentalism in easterners...
Does anyone else find those two sentences back to back to be uproariously funny?
/International treaties? We don't abide by no stinkin' international treaties./
by sigmarthebad on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:02:01 AM PDT
I'm a Midwesterner, but I think the whole "easterners are rude and impatient" thing is by and large a bum rap. On my first trip to New York, I arrived at Grand Central Station, met my friend who had just arrived from London, and opened an MTA subway map. Less than ten seconds later, a native New Yorker came up to us, unsolicited, and asked us where we wanted to go, showed us which line to use, and told us how to get to the subway from the great hall there. And it was like that the whole time I was in New York, and the whole time I was in Boston later that week. And I'm very much looking forward to going back to New York in two weeks for my first visit to Yankee Stadium.
The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin
by Korkenzieher on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:24:26 AM PDT
Drove into Manhattan, found a parking structure, and drove up and asked the gentleman at the gate how much the parking fee was.
He came back with an aggressive "What, you wanna park for FREE?"
We all laughed at how this guy confirmed every stereotype of New Yorkers in one succinct phrase. Of course we went on to meet plenty of cool New Yorkers, but there is a kernel of truth in the stereotype of New Yorkers as being rude and impatient. And I didn't even mention how they drive in Manhattan!
by Subterranean on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:04:30 AM PDT
all through the Clinton presidency, Why do they hate him? Wondered while I looked the other way, and until I couldn't look the other way and just wanted them gone. Now I know why the Republicans despised the Clintons - it's the way they campaign. I don't "hate' them - I hate their DLC triangulating politics and the "say anything to win and spin" campaigning.
</war> Darcy Burner for Congress WA-08
by mrobinson on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:16:01 PM PDT
They were charming, but they were crooks.
"Statistics are people with the tears washed away." Sociologist Ruth Sidel
by Vicky on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:58:03 PM PDT
I suspect not really.
Political compass: -5.50 econ, -5.79 libertarian/authoritarian
by billlaurelMD on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:18:27 PM PDT
Frontline transcript and see what you think. As Ickes tells Moyers, they tried to stay on the legal side of things, but admitted it was often a distinction without a difference. I do think they were quite corrupt. It was why I left the Democratic party during Bill's administration. I was disgusted by them.
by Vicky on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:22:15 PM PDT
n/t
by billlaurelMD on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:53:29 PM PDT
what "crook" is.
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters" Solomon Short
by RedMask on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:52:29 PM PDT
lots of Clinton haters starting from the left bank of the Mississippi and going west til CA.
by duckhunter on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:29:03 PM PDT
is always worse than your own hypocrisy. Republican Westerners started out seeing Clinton as their opponent, and overtures such as welfare reform were viewed skeptically as opportunistic hypocrisy (not fancy-pants triangulation). Far worse: Sexual misconduct in the workplace -- perceived as a longtime target of politically correct reformers -- was suddenly OK when Clinton did it with a young intern, and there was Hillary, blaming the "right wing conspiracy" for her husband's little problem.
If Bill Clinton hadn't been such an ass with his sexual behavior (or if he'd just resigned), and if he'd had the good sense not to prosecute Randy Weaver for crimes done by Bush I's trigger-happy federal agents, and if he'd stayed off the golf course when he vacationed in Yellowstone (what kind of GOP-wannabe dickweed golfs in Teton County?), Clinton might have made some friends out West.
Oh, and he talked too damned much.
I lived in Idaho for his first four years. I liked him, but it was lonely.
Whatever happened to Victoria Iseman? Seems like she just dropped off the face of the earth.
by overlander on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:33:15 PM PDT
People who live in areas steeped in racial animosities tend to be more prone to vote along racial lines. The West doesn't have as much of that as the East does, that's the reason why it's different.
by William Domingo on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:43:22 PM PDT
I've driven from NY to Jacksonville, on over to New Orleans, up to Oklahoma City, through to LA, and up on to Portland. Where there aren't a lot of black folks or a history of slavery, there's less racial hatred toward AA's. You'll find it in SoCal though.
by mahakali overdrive on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:43:18 PM PDT
Competition (for jobs, etc.) causes friction. When competition is among races, it causes racial friction. When competition is among religions, it causes religious friction. When competition is among nations, it causes national friction, and so on.
Obama wins in major urban areas but can’t seem to win in urbanized states, while Clinton wins in rural communities but consistently loses in rural states. Why? One relevant fact, as many Clinton supporters have pointed out, is that rural states often hold caucuses rather than primaries, which require the kind of local organizing at which Obama’s team excels. It might also be that the economic downturn has had a more traumatic effect in bigger states, making the voters there responsive to Clinton’s more pragmatic message. It is also possible, however, that the disparity between Obama’s performance in urban primaries and rural caucuses tells us something larger — and counterintuitive — about race in America. The assumption has always been that a black candidate should perform worse among white voters in states with less racial diversity because those voters are supposedly less enlightened. In fact, the reverse has been true for Obama: in the overwhelmingly white states of Wisconsin and Vermont, for instance, he carried 54 and 60 percent of the white voters respectively, according to exit polls, while in New Jersey he won 31 percent and in Tennessee he won 26 percent. As some bloggers have shrewdly pointed out, Obama does best in areas that have either a large concentration of African-American voters or hardly any at all, but he struggles in places where the population is decidedly mixed. What this suggests, perhaps, is that living in close proximity to other races — sharing industries and schools and sports arenas — actually makes Americans less sanguine about racial harmony rather than more so. http://www.nytimes.com/...
Obama wins in major urban areas but can’t seem to win in urbanized states, while Clinton wins in rural communities but consistently loses in rural states. Why?
One relevant fact, as many Clinton supporters have pointed out, is that rural states often hold caucuses rather than primaries, which require the kind of local organizing at which Obama’s team excels. It might also be that the economic downturn has had a more traumatic effect in bigger states, making the voters there responsive to Clinton’s more pragmatic message. It is also possible, however, that the disparity between Obama’s performance in urban primaries and rural caucuses tells us something larger — and counterintuitive — about race in America.
The assumption has always been that a black candidate should perform worse among white voters in states with less racial diversity because those voters are supposedly less enlightened. In fact, the reverse has been true for Obama: in the overwhelmingly white states of Wisconsin and Vermont, for instance, he carried 54 and 60 percent of the white voters respectively, according to exit polls, while in New Jersey he won 31 percent and in Tennessee he won 26 percent. As some bloggers have shrewdly pointed out, Obama does best in areas that have either a large concentration of African-American voters or hardly any at all, but he struggles in places where the population is decidedly mixed.
What this suggests, perhaps, is that living in close proximity to other races — sharing industries and schools and sports arenas — actually makes Americans less sanguine about racial harmony rather than more so.
http://www.nytimes.com/...
by William Domingo on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:58:39 PM PDT
Machine Politics. She had all these major city Governor's and Mayors in her pocket since last year.
by Excelscior1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:44:16 PM PDT
of a variety of things - including the fact that most cities are really NOT integrated except at higher socioeconomic levels.
When you don't have a subculture, any minorities will HAVE to blend into the predominant culture. If they don't, they won't be able to survive. So they do. If there's a large subculture, and has been a large subculture for years, minorities will want to belong to that subculture UNLESS they see a big advantage to NOT belonging. The current bias against education in the lower socioeconomic classes (of all races) tends to keep them there, because they betray their 'class' with every word they speak, every piece of clothing they wear, even often with their name itself.
And most people outside that subculture never see the individuals, they see the stereotype that winds up on TV - in the news, in the shows.
by mmacdDE on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:25:56 AM PDT
This diary describes central PA to a "T"
You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists. -- Abbie Hoffman
by frostyinPA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:49:16 PM PDT
about NAFTA?
by billlaurelMD on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:17:13 PM PDT