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  •  Watching HRC's press conference on C-SPAN (11+ / 0-)

    She's pissing me off... she's pushing the spin that her supporters may not elect Obama in November so supers should give her the nomination...

    I wish I had a cheaper TV, I'm so tempted to throw something at her face right now.

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    by bmozaffari on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:44:53 PM PDT

    •  Don't you just love her slavemaster response (4+ / 0-)

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      to the Black vote?  "Oh, yes'm we sure is going to vote for you, cause you sure is the democrat, and we black people vote for you."

      But, White "blue collar" (gosh, I'm coming to hate this term) will automatically vote for me in the fall.

      •  I probably identify: I'm Black (2+ / 0-)

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        sometimes African-American...

      •  Don't you know what would happen if Clinton wins? (7+ / 0-)

        The sky will open ... the light will come down ... celestial choirs will be singing ... and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect.

        African Americans will realize that the world is just not ready for one of them to be president, so they will embrace the reality that they must vote Democrat not because Democrats have earned their vote, but because the suckers have no other choice.

        We liberals activists will prove to the party leaders that they can do what they like, cause after all it is a two-party system and we have nowhere else to go. We will use this opportunity to tell the party leaders that no matter what they do, they have our unconditional support.

        Young people will once again prove why they're stereotyped as cool calculating individuals, who after seeing their hopes and wishes crushed, will embrace the lesser of the evils remaining.

        Finally, superdelegates will prove to the world that being mentally challenged is not a detriment to being a superdelegate but rather a requirement, but embracing Clinton's arguments and endorsing her en masse.

        Oh yeah, I can just see it happening any second now.

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        by bmozaffari on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:21:16 PM PDT

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        •  Love it!!! But one of the reasons (2+ / 0-)

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          why her response stuck with me, aside from the obvious, was that it was Ron Allan (AA journalist with NBC) who asked the question.  And Andrea Mitchell today on Tweety referred to it, and how Allan had engaged the Clinton campaign on the plane the previous night on this issue.  AA journos are not going to get into it with a campaign regarding race issues unless something egregious is being said, and from the press conference I got confirmation.  The Clinton campaign is truly living in the 90's.  They have not f*g concept about how the world has changed, nor do they really care.

          They have more in common with Rev. Wright than Obama does.

        •  Come on, Obama is the nominee (1+ / 0-)

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          Even Russert admitted it.  Obama is the nominee.  Hillary is just waiting in the wings in case something unknown comes out about Obama.  She is acting like a standby in a play.  Hillary's campaign is just a facade.  They are putting up a good front, but Obama has the numbers. The anti-war movement is too strong to support Hillary as the candidate.  She just does not have the votes.   We need to concentrate on beating McCain.

          •  If she would just shut up (0+ / 0-)

            All that sounds good but while she keeps going on TV and saying that many of her supporters will not vote for Obama, despite her efforts to the contrary, she is doing her best to ensure a McCain victory.

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            by bmozaffari on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:05 AM PDT

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            •  With her last loan to the campaign (1+ / 0-)

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              for a total of $11.5M, the talking heads say she released this fact early so she could attract more money from contributors. It seems to me admitting the fundraising is not going so well is another wheel coming off the bus.

              BTW McCain has a fundraiser with a $100,000 plate dinner (if I understood the newsreport) which should net him about $7M in one fell swoop.

              Kind of hard to be Joe Sixpack when people will pony up $100K for a plate of rubber chicken and soggy salad just to hear you drop pearls of wisdom before them.

      •  I think it's worse than that (5+ / 0-)

        I think she's trying to convince white democrats to vote their race and trying to convince supers that this will happen.
        When Barack Obama said early in the primary season that he thought he could get voters that Hillary couldn't he was speaking about her well known "high negatives".  His calculus included Democrats plus anticipated gains from unhappy Republicans and Independants.
        Hillary twisted this meme to be "my votes" vs. "his votes" within the party because she knew he was right.
        The race-baiting began in NH (the second primary) when to her shock, Barack Obama won IA.

        She played to white liberal racism and counted on blatant racism to marginalize her opponent, and damn the consequences.  

        In her cynical math there are more whites than blacks now she needed to convince whites that blacks were voting their race and so should they.  

        Instead of celebrating the record turnout of the black community, it was made to look like a bad thing, something suspect.  Through surrogates, she continually brought up race in a way sure to outrage blacks and be noticed by whites.  Once Barack was getting 90% of the black vote she began pointing to the stats with a just sayin' attitude rather than a we realize we have a problem attitude.

        She wants whites to worry and vote race.  I loathe her for this.

      •  I'm not black but (1+ / 0-)

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        Clinton's statements are making me sick to my stomach. In the unlikely event she somehow won the nomination, a clothes pin wouldn't be enough to get in the voting booth and pull the lever for her; I'd need a space suit or something.

        She needs to withdraw to retain her own dignity now.

      •  Have people here already seen her comments (2+ / 0-)

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        in Newsweek?

        I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.

        . . .

        Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you’re a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

    •  Sounds just perzackly like blackmail to me. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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      Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.

      by emmasnacker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:24:13 PM PDT

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    •  That is the refrain for early morning (2+ / 0-)

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      Obama is not electable because Hillary's people will go to McCain. The ramifications of this are staggering if a president represents his base.  Hillary is saying that her presidency would be closer to a McCain presidency than an Obama presidency, if her supporters will so easily switch parties.

      If her supporters wish to continue this refrain, they need to clarify if they feel Hillary supporters really share that many values with McCain voters or if the subtext is that her followers will never vote for an African American. It does not paint a pretty picture either way.

      OTOH MSNBC is painting her WV supporters as uneducated, unskilled or blue collar, male, older, lower income and pay brackets and generally not very successful in life. Is this really reflective of her support? The point was made that WV really lacks major cities, industrial centers or major university towns which is where Obama finds his support.    

    •  When I watched the beginning, (0+ / 0-)

      I asked myself, "Is she on crack?"  Although, I cleaned up the language.

      McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist

      by Nonconformist on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:11:02 AM PDT

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