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  •  Indeed but think about the sheer time-line (1+ / 0-)

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    involved.

    If Obama is the nominee, and IF he does not chose a female running mate, and IF he/they win two terms and that running mater is the next Dem prez contender we are already talking 12 years min if the Reps don't run a lady.

    I think this is the basis for a lot of the older women wanting to vote for Clinton because with those time lines they are going to start passing away, and many of them are the ones that took it on the chin for Women's rights, and a non Clinton win here makes it a lot less likely for them to ever see a woman prez.

    I wish they had a better candidate to vote for, I think Clinton is a poor feminist candidate for a number of reasons, but I understand the frustration.

    I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

    by edgeways on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:09:48 PM PDT

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    •  No, it's not so much about the time-line, it's (0+ / 0-)

      more about the need for a qualified leader NOW, who should be a Democrat.

      That the entire fracking planet gets to display its misogyny in front of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Ceiling Cat and all the gods is apparently icing on the cake for some party operatives.

      It will get us a third Bush term.

      Twelve years is not too long to wait. Five months is. I don't believe Barack Hussein Obama, who has called Republicans the party of ideas, who has turned his back on universal health care, who has walked away from the restoration of our constitution, who has refused to consider pursuing charges against the current administration, and whose strategy for getting my vote is to assume that he can have it so nobody calls me a racist when he doesn't get it flat sucks, is a Democrat.

      Her most certainly is not a Democrat in the same way as John Edwards, Jack or Bobby Kennedy, or Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

      In this time when we really, truly need someone of that caliber, need Democratic leadership whose roots run deep in the working class and who understand the need for good jobs, good schools, working infrastructure, health care and constitutional protections as well as economic strategies,
      if we let ourselves be hoodwinked into accepting some nebulous notion of "unity," we will be the poorer for it long before 12 years down the road.

      I'm another Edwards Democrat

      by BlackSheep1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:26:55 PM PDT

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      •  Look, I am not disagreeing with you (0+ / 0-)

        just pointing out what I think is a motivation for some of Clinton's core, and if you want to slam them so be it, but as much as I disagree with their choice I can not.

        I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

        by edgeways on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:32:14 PM PDT

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        •  what did you read? because I didn't slam (0+ / 0-)

          Hillary or her base.

          I'm another Edwards Democrat

          by BlackSheep1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:46:52 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, you are right. I am sorry I had (0+ / 0-)

            multiple tabs open.

            In speaking more to your post then I did (again sorry), suffice to say I disagree with you on a number of points in regards to Mrs Clinton's ability, commitment  and character. But, I've a feeling it'll just dissolve into the never ending rehashing of our respective beliefs and talking points.

            A bit more, I think both candidates are taking the other's bases for granted in a GE race, certainly Obama needs the majority of Clinton supporters to win, and likewise so does she. You imply you have been called a racist, I am sorry, I don't know you but most likely you are not and as such you should not be called a racist. In counterpoint I have been called, to my face, a sexist and have had it implied by my mother as well because I am male and do not support Clinton. I do not think I am sexist, I have advocated for any number of female candidates and am well aware and have sympathy for much of feminist philosophy, to the point I self identify as a feminist, but just as you not supporting "the black candidate" does not make you racist, so too does my not supporting "the female candidate" a sexist.

            I hope in the coming months you are able to make peace with the outcome of the primary, and I wish you well.

            I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

            by edgeways on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:05:14 PM PDT

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          •  yeah, dipshit actually slammed that hussein fella (0+ / 0-)

            except for that strange

            "Her most certainly is not...

            Dunno.  Maybe anti-hussein dipshit is slamming both?
            Not worth my time to figure Black Hussein Sheep1's stuff out.  Wow.

            Bottled hot water for dehydrated babies? WTF?!

            by JVolvo on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:11:12 PM PDT

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            •  Typos happen ... (0+ / 0-)

              but I don't usually call people names about 'em.

              This said -- you should maybe stop and realize you're not winning your candidate any friends with tactics like this.

              Friends your candidate might need come November, that is.

              I'm another Edwards Democrat

              by BlackSheep1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:44:18 PM PDT

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              •  Really? Hussein. You went for Hussein. (0+ / 0-)

                1- dipshit was for your use of Limbaugh/Faux News talking point.  Feel good to parrot Rush and Hannity?  Jeebus.

                2- so you are another of the 'someone was mean to me/"my" candidate on the internet (aka calling bullshit on your RW talking point), so I'm gonna..."

                What.The.Fuck.Ever.  

                3- with "friends" like you, our country is fucked.

                4- is that the Tom DeLay style of winning friends and influencing people? Or more of a Soprano-like threat?  Charming.  Why are you on a progressive blog?

                5- gotta admit, "Her" was an interesting typo.  Feeling conflicted about supporting Mrs. SniperFire/Only Some States Count/Vote For Me: I'm White?

                Bottled hot water for dehydrated babies? WTF?!

                by JVolvo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:40:47 AM PDT

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                •  you're a jerk, and you've got your (0+ / 0-)

                  head up and locked in a dark and smelly place.

                  but that's okay.

                  at least your emanations aren't polluting my air.

                  I'm another Edwards Democrat

                  by BlackSheep1 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:39:12 PM PDT

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                  •  what is your problem? You played the Fox card. (0+ / 0-)

                    You went to Hannity/Limbaugh land.
                    I responded with vulgar vigor.
                    You then played the "careful or I might just vote McSame" card.
                    I pointed out how your not-so-subtle McSame threat was crap.
                    And I'm the jerk?
                    Riiiiiiight.

                    Yes I can be a snarky bastard.  I do my best to support it with data or logic.  And humor when possible, bad language when I'm pissed.

                    Since you are an Edwards Democrat (me, too), how can you play "Hussein" 1) with a straight face and 2) be surprised when someone here calls you on it?  

                    Let's pull together and knock Mr 100 Years in Iraq on his ass!

                    Bottled hot water for dehydrated babies? WTF?!

                    by JVolvo on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:07:57 PM PDT

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    •  Support the up-and-comers (0+ / 0-)

      It's not like after hillary there will never be any more women interested in high office.

      John McCain loves to suck sausage with Lindsey Graham.

      by The Dead Man on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:45:36 PM PDT

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    •  International perspective (2+ / 0-)

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      There are lots of women presidents and prime ministers -- in countries like Chile, Argentina, and Germany.  These are countries that have more respect for women than the USA.  Many of our policies have more in common with the Arab world than Europe.

      An important step is to correct the gross underrepresentation of women in Congress.  USA is way behind the rest of the world on this.

      It's very sad that someone like Hillary feels she has to run by proving she's tougher than a man.

      It's also very sad that Michelle Bachelet, the President of Chile, would have been a non-starter in the USA because she's separated from her husband and is agnostic.

      USA has a long way to go.

      Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
      Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

      by Caelian on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:11:47 PM PDT

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