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bashing diary at all, and it certainly wasn't intended as such.
Actually, my mom is, as I've illustrated, even more anti-Republican than she is anti-Hillary, which I've found particularly heartening.
What I've found so amazing, however, is how she's slowly reached a decision I would never have predicted, and that Hillary is really more to be credited (or blamed) for my mom's choice than Obama.
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." JFK - January 20, 1961
by rontun on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:19:21 AM PDT
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You know, it's the Mothers and Grandmothers who led the protests in Argentina and several other countries.
Never get the Mothers too angry.
Trust him to be president, trust him to run his campaign.
by pvlb on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:24:34 AM PDT
Your observation illustrates where a very real base of power lies.
May God Bless our troops wherever they are. Best regards, El Tomaso
by El Tomaso on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:24:26 AM PDT
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!
by wargolem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:49:24 AM PDT
My mom, who has never had so much as an email account, read Obama's first book and loved it. She, raised as a Republican (though of a different sort than the mother described in this diary - dating back to ancestral New England abolitionists), left that party when Reagan was nominated, supporting John Anderson in 1980. In 2006, she switched her registration to Democrat so she could vote against Lieberman in the Connecticut Senate primary. She was already a big Obama fan then. At Yearly Kos, I hadn't chosen a candidate yet, and ended up going to the Obama breakout session because of her enthusiasm.
I hope she lives long enough to vote for him in November, 'cuz that lung cancer has been moving fast. And her chances of cure aren't much better than Hillary's of being nominated. I know she'd be deeply gratified to see Obama elected. She can't stand the Bushies, and doesn't much care for the Clintons either.
John McCain voted against health care for kids.
by Land of Enchantment on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:35:55 AM PDT
by rontun on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:44:09 AM PDT
I went through that with my dad - hang in there and let's hope she sees Barack's election.
by snarkyspice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:46:31 AM PDT
Here's hoping for improved health and comfort for her.
As for octogenarians, my Republican 86 y-o mother-in-law voted for Obama in the primary and will in November.
July 9, 2008 -- I watched helplessly while Congress destroyed my Constitution. R.I.P.
by bleeding heart on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:45:45 AM PDT
Doesn't look like there's much in the way of improvement in the cards. More a matter of a graceful departure now, navigating a minefield of potential suffering along the way. (It's smoker's lung cancer, too, and she quit smoking in the early 70s, after smoking about 30 years. So, smokers beware!!!)
by Land of Enchantment on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:52:54 AM PDT
I wish her a gentle, comfortable journey with love and companionship.
Smoking was listed as a factor in my mother's death when she was 82. She had quit smoking 30 years prior after being a 1 pack a day smoker for about 30 years. However, the smoking had constricted her blood vessels, resulting in loss of circulation and significant pain.
Land of Enchantment is so correct: cigarette smoking is very bad for one's health.
by bleeding heart on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:03:18 AM PDT
but there have been stressful times in the last 18 months when I have been tempted to pick it up again.
thanks for the reminder.
Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. 76 days until the '08 elections. Let's paint the country BLUE!
by TrueBlueMajority on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:55:38 AM PDT
smoking in their pampered childhoods amongst the Depression-era Hoovervilles, and the lax morals and work ethics of the time.
My grandmother quit smoking at 64, and passed away last year at 82. She had poor oxygenation in her blood, and doctors never could figure out the cause. Looking back, it would not be surprising if the smoking turns out to have been a factor. Or the being 82.
Low-Information: it's the new Stupid-7.12/-5.95
by MooseHB on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:18:40 AM PDT
and almost killed my brother (the only one of the siblings who smoked).
I'd hit the tobacco companies with a major tax boost and use that money to pay for single-payer if I were President -- hell, I'd add on a tax on junk food too to make it fair since that's my downfall. I'd be willing to pay an extra quarter for my Hostess or Big Mac fix if it meant we all got universal single payer care...
"Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher
by Cali Scribe on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:35:28 AM PDT
There is a tragedy in that junk food is cheep food, which means any tax on junk food is regressive.
by AndersOSU on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:50:05 PM PDT
I lost my Mom a few years ago.
I wish she could have been here to see Mr. Obama come as far as he has.
The greatest gift she and my father (also passed) gave me was to see others for their character, not their color or gender.
I hope your Mom gets to vote with a smile on her face.
Peace.
If it doesn't lead to your happiness, don't do it.
by magicsister on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:12:44 AM PDT
My mom died a few years ago, from smoking related issues (age 81, so she lived a pretty long time anyway , and which I'm totally justifying b/c I still have the nasty habit). Anyway, she was a total politics junkie, knew all the senators names and had opinions on each one of them, watched cspan daily, loved talking politics. I so wish she was still around to discuss and fume and hope along with me. Both my parents, I know for certain, would have kicked that hard working, white American's for Hilary BS out the door. God bless our moms and dads!
"Americans wish to be settled. Only so far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them" -Emerson.
by kfd313 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:42:20 AM PDT
Mom never smoked, died at 64...Dad died at 51...smoked.
I smoke, too. If I come up with a good reason I'll let you know!
Be well.
by magicsister on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:01:36 AM PDT
are mutually exclusive. We know this. Addict's logic is, well, illogical. And my dad died at 51 too--from being poisoned by toxic chemicals at his place of work. He never smoked,but it wouldn't have mattered either way. Something's gonna kill ya in the end I suppose. It just shouldn't be your job.
by kfd313 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:10:10 AM PDT
we have a Dem president we'll have more safety for workers. But I know with so many crises and so much dirt to clean up it's going to take time to get back even what we used to take for granted. Time, and all of us continuing to push the government where it needs to go.
Sorry about your dad.
Vote John McCain for a Hundred Year War!
by Fiona West on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:22:43 AM PDT
and yes, pushing the govt is essential. and getting stories out there.
by kfd313 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:57:26 PM PDT
WWII Vet, Lockheed retiree- super smart. He voted in Florida though.
by ms scarlett leadpipe on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:34:17 AM PDT
(see my comments above re trying to et the Diarist's mom on camera)
These are very revealing stories -- an none of these would be FOUND, much less reported on, by the Conglomerate News Media.
Their composite views of America reveal noting but mathematic pie charts. What you're describing are the narratives of people's changing views over the decades. Way more useful and instructive!
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by rhfactor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:39:27 PM PDT
He's a ham- lol.
He's so disgusted with the current administration.
How do I contact you so you can contact him?
by ms scarlett leadpipe on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:37:12 PM PDT
a year and three weeks ago, from a swarm of strokes that progressively took her over a 2-week period. Before the strokes, a life-long Democrat, she was the Obama supporter (having read his books and followed him as closely as she could, so early in the process). I was the Edwards supporter, so we had many spirited (and good-natured) debates over our respective candidates' strengths, during our once- or twice-a-week phone calls.
She would be so proud of how Barack Obama has conducted his campaign and handled every obstacle placed in his way. (I won't even try to imagine the words she would have had for Hillary and Bill. Mom was originally from East Texas, and could put together a string of words...)
Since she passed, through me, my mother has maxed out to the Obama campaign (for the primary) and she is well on her way to maxing out for the general. I only wish we could make posthumous contributions, so I, too, could max out. But I'm happy to make the contributions on her behalf, so her support survives.
LoE, count yourself fortunate to know your mother's time is limited, and spend as much time as you can with her. I spent those two weeks at my mother's bedside, first in the hospital ICU, then at the hospice, and they were the best (and worst) two weeks of my life... two weeks all about life and love.
Being there for a loved one in their passing, working through your shared fears and anguish, and coming to appreciate one another fully... these are among the greatest things you will ever do. (Being present at the birth of your own child is another, I suspect, but wouldn't know...)
LoE, have a very special and wonderful Mother's Day. Give your mom a hug for me.
I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower
by scrape on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:33:46 AM PDT
sharing your story.
My mom and I have both been on Team O from the start. I see her next week as she migrates north for the summer, and I will hug her extra tight thinking of those of you who have lost your precious mothers recently.
Peace to you.
Sweet are the uses of adversity...[Find] tongues in trees, books in the running brooks, Sermons in stones, and good in everything. -Shakespeare, As You Like It
by earicicle on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:01:03 AM PDT
Hope she will hang on and make history, and make peace.
Cowards die many times before their deaths... Shakespeare, Julius Ceasar, II, 2
by on the cusp on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:24:42 AM PDT
And yes, (for all of us) make the time NOW to share your love with parents, friends, kids and neighbors.
In a way, it is a blessing to have a little head's up when this dance is coming to an end for a loved one. We can go for the 100% in each moment. For all the others in our lives that we don't know the timing...Love Em Up Now!!
Bottled hot water for dehydrated babies? WTF?!
by JVolvo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:52:24 AM PDT
and each said, on learning their diagnosis, that they wanted to live long enough to see Bush out and the new Democrat in the WH. One for Edwards, one for Clinton.
</war> Darcy Burner for Congress WA-08
by mrobinson on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:53:34 AM PDT
here's hoping for a miracle for your mom.
by TrueBlueMajority on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:53:36 AM PDT
Cthuhluoids for Clinton.
(it's a HP Lovecraft reference)
Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.
by alizard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:52:34 PM PDT
obama, it blows my mind believe me. about three years ago she joined a group in her town they call Grandmas For Peace because she was dead set against the Iraq war- i really do believe that she found that most of the other grannies were Democrats and she finally realized that we aren't all that bad once she joined her group. i think its cool as hell being that i have known her all my life as a most anal, prudish,conservative water carrying, cheer leading Repug. Happy Moms Day to all moms, where'd any of us be without ya? :)
impeachment-it does the body good impeachment-it isn't just for blow jobs anymore impeachment-i can say no more i expect no less
by playtonjr on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:00:56 PM PDT
also a life long republican who voted for Bush twice, now deeply regrets it, says she was fooled by his lies. She switched her party registration to independent and now is leaning towards Obama.
"Are we to continue entrusting our affairs to men ...... having nothing to recommend them except methodical hatred and skill in vituperation?" Bertrand Russell
by sydluna on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:41:27 AM PDT
are big Obama supporters.
My in-laws, 92 and 82 years old, will never vote for a Democrat; retired military, southern, and we don't talk politics. Hell indeed would be a solid block of ice if they crossed over.
by susan in sc on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:11:14 AM PDT
parents-in-law have been in the Obama camp since the beginning -- it was their influence that brought me to Barack after my first choice (Edwards) dropped out.
by Cali Scribe on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:38:22 AM PDT
You shared an amazing and revealing anecdote about how one voter has come around to vote for a candidate she didn't even give the time of day at the outset because he's a "colored man."
I wish I could've heard the conversation. Not because I don't believe what you've written, but I would simply have enjoyed hearing her tone of voice as my side split with laughter.
Brilliantly blessed are those who walk with courage through the depths of the own fear, for they will Love from the bottom of their heart.
by Craig Hickman on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:33:22 AM PDT
she does not suffer impertinence nor brook any disagreement with her pronouncements. I learned years ago not to argue with her and instead steer her toward information that might assist her in re-examining her ideas or conclusions. And even that I do cautiously, knowing that she'll object to any overt attempt to feed her what she'd regard as biased propaganda.
She's a smart, old cookie, as she constantly reminds all of her children.
by rontun on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:42:43 AM PDT
You are very lucky (I'm sure you know that). Bless her heart. Hug her for us!
by bakenjuddy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:47:03 AM PDT
I learned years ago not to argue with her and instead steer her toward information that might assist her in re-examining her ideas or conclusions.
The headlong assault never worked with my Deep South Mom, except that my head got knocked up pretty good. A subtle flanking move can work well.
Sounds like y'all have a very rich relationship. Thanks.
"Lawyers, I suppose, were children once." To Kill A Mockingbird
by DC Scott on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:16:21 AM PDT
is still as wingnutty as they come. I can't go head on cause she will cry, I can't flank her cause she is too oblivious and self-assured (how is that for an impenetrable defense?). I have to content myself to pointing out that I disagree and then voting to cancel hers out.
It's disheartening because she is, all in all, a nice person, she just can't see the forest for all the trees.
F#$< 'em if they can't take a joke. If they can, well, f#$< them too -Dale Slusher
by jaslusher on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:35:20 AM PDT
Steer, feed, old cookie, even brook (trout) is in there. Please quench my curiosity with a refreshing reply ;o)
by JVolvo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:16:57 AM PDT
your rather interesting query. Although at that hour I'd yet to have eaten nary a morsal, I don't recall any abdominal grumbling, but I must confess I did indulge in a couple of fresh baked oatmeal cookies a couple of hours afterwards, delivered freshly to my door by a neighbor.
by rontun on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:29:55 AM PDT
by JVolvo on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:10:05 PM PDT
means. I hope MP's framing is just off.
To point out the parts of your Mom's equation to change her support is certainly not bashing. Sheesh. Unless your Mom is a misogynist! That'd be a little weird...even for KY ;O)
With Compassion: if anyone took this as a bashing diary...you are too sensitive. Again, said with No Malice.
by JVolvo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:57:46 AM PDT
... that I have trouble accepting that in shaping it into a "story" you haven't gone too heavily for "character" and too light with "accuracy". I see from your profile that you are a newspaper editor, and that you bona fides are in order, so I'll leave it at that, except to ask, "Does your grandmother really speak like this?"
... by stating unequivocally that she would never vote for a Republican again. "They’ve lied about this war from the beginning, and they continue to lie about it," she complained. "They’re bankrupting the country so that their cronies in the oil industry can walk away with billions of dollars, and they don’t care that they’re ruining America’s standing in the world."
This lesson, completely expressed, is certainly good to hear.
Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.
by Yellow Canary on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:26:53 AM PDT
and she's quite an articulate woman and generally speaks in complete sentences.
As an editor, I have omitted many of her comments and quotations, but as a reporter, I've striven for accuracy in quoting her.
As any writer, I've shaped the narrative to reveal what I believe has been a remarkable transformation. I have not reported on all conversations we've had over the period of time covered by the story, nor have I repeated all of her litany of complaints about either the Bush administration or Senator Clinton. Yet I believe that I've captured the real essence of her decision making process, which I've found to be fascinating and illuminating.
Having known her for over a half-century, I find it remarkable that she continues to surprise one even as jaded as myself. She is not without flaws, and oft times she's excruciatingly reluctant to challenge her own views even though she recognizes their cognitive dissonance.
I cannot tell you the joy I've experienced in writing this diary as it's served to remind me not only of her glaring imperfections, but more importantly, of why she continues to inspire me.
by rontun on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:56:54 AM PDT
Thank you rontun. I loved reading your diary, but I am especially impressed by your response to Yellow Canary.
by proudmomoftwo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:10:04 AM PDT
... She inspires me, too. Sorry about mistaking her as your grandmother (picked that up in a comment).
by Yellow Canary on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:10:35 AM PDT
and I for one find it authentic; I've heard my own dear departed Dad, an old Mississippian, speak almost as eloquently as Mark Twain and certainly as pithily throughout my life with him.
"You are very wise, Van Helsing, for one who has yet to live a single lifetime." - Count Dracula
by collardgreens on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:55:21 AM PDT
Thanks for this delightful glimpse into your family and intra-familial politics.
Your mom's logic makes sense to me. It had to have been a struggle for her but she got there - her way.
Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by Deoliver47 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:40:05 AM PDT
I've noticed that there is always one nincompoop who will poo-poo the veracity of any personal story. If you tell it too well, that's their tell-tell sign. If you don't tell it well enough, that's their tell-tell sign. I'm glad you posted your story, and I believe every word. I have family just like the mother that you describe.
John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.
by dawnt on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:39:50 PM PDT
They are going to vote overwhelmingly for Obama in areas that we have traditionally despaired of as solidly unwilling to "vote for the colored man."
And they will develop any rationale they need to overlook his racial makeup. Your mother just stated the easiest one for the to adopt - "He's half-white, you know."
It doesn't matter. Obama will get their votes because McCain is just so, well, Republican. And most Americans would be happy to forget that Republicans ever existed. The Reagan Legacy will be seen as the shiny giftpaper that made us eagerly unwrap the box of dog feces.
There will always be a few staunch supporters of Anti-Progressivism, like there were people that refused to believe in the Copernican solar system. But eventually they all died, leaving only the believers behind.
That's what is happening here.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -The Histories of Herodotus, Book 7, Ch. 49
by Louise on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:34:40 AM PDT
And she’s willing to blow up the whole god damned world. Maybe she has grown balls and her mind is clouded by testosterone.
"I wouldn't trade one stupid decision / for another five years of life." -- LCD Soundsystem
by tomjones on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:47:33 AM PDT
that she has lost votes--which she previously had--all by herself, with her own words and actions, over the course of this campaign.
Spousal Unit was a lifelong Republican, president of his Campus R group way back in the day and still won't hear (many) bad words against Nixon or (any) bad words against St. Ronnie. I didn't talk him out of this, it took Bush to drive him out and for awhile he was looking at third parties.
Me? Lifelong Democrat. Took up with this guy late in life because (in part) I love to argue politics. Didn't argue with him on this point, just sat back and let him work it out, like your Gramma did. He started by supporting Edwards, then got intrigued by Obama after the Iowa speech. He was a bit starstruck for awhile, then as time went on and he watched more, his support became even stronger.
I was Edwards since 04. Heartbroken when he quit just before I was gonna get to vote for him (TN primary.) Looked at HRC and BHO and shrugged; do I vote my skin or my genitals? Pretty well sided with Hillary on the historic-breakthrough/it's about time argument.
Ever since then she's been prying my fingers, one at a time, off her campaign. Like the SO I was being continually impressed by Obama: the way he campaigned, the tenor of his conduct, the dignity, the inclusiveness, the damn common sense. My arguments in support of her got progressively feebler.
The last finger came off the Hillary cliff with the "I'm qualified to be CinC, Sen. McCain is certainly qualified...my opponent, well...." line. You. Do. Not. Do. That. To. A. Fellow. Democrat. No way no how, not ever.
Happily jumped ship to BHO and haven't looked back. Sorry to watch Hillary and her supporters behave increasingly badly as the drain continues to circle, but there ya go.
Is Barak perfect? Jeez o pete no. In practical terms his sit-down interview skills are not the best and his debates are downright lame. In policy terms he is not nearly as progressive in solid proposals as one might hope.
And yet...and yet...there really is a chance he's running a Superman campaign, as somebody mockingly said. Running as Clark Kent and heading for the phone booth as soon as that oath is administered. His First Inaugural could be most interesting.
Sorry to run on so long but thinking of your grammy's evolution on the subject brought to mind how it parallelled both the spouse's and mine. There are just too many of these stories to keep track of but they pop up, as you note, in some pretty damn unexpected places.
So these are the thoughs of another old, Midwestern/southern, non-college-degreed, "hard-working" white woman for Obama. Add it to the pile. :)
Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?
by Xan on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:34:58 AM PDT
...who started out as Edwards supporters, migrated to Hillary and became increasingly disenchanted with her campaign's tactics, finally switching to Obama.
I started off supporting Edwards and moved comfortably to Obama as I learned more about him. Hillary was never an option for me except as a vote against the Republicans. Yeah, I would've swallowed my reservations and voted for her in the general.
Surviving unemployment?
by CharlieHipHop on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:45:12 PM PDT
WHATEVER she's running for.
by Cambridgemac on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:19:13 AM PDT
I'm glad she stayed in the race. If she had quit, there's a bunch of people out there who wouldn't have had to think about the issues of gender and race. They simply would have seen Obama (or Clinton) as different from what they were used to (incompetence, with a B).
People on this site have been panicking and ranting about HRC dropping out. If she wouldn't do it, she would tear the party apart. But Obama's calmness has worked out. That is the point of his campaign. Don't give in to panic, fear, and other passions. It's like the rabbi in "Fiddler on the Roof," "Everyone sit down."
WWHPD
by red moon dog on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:24:42 AM PDT
as a positive for Dem excitement and groundwork for the general in these last few states. However, mainly as you suggest, due to Sen Obama's grace and calm.
Yet, we could have a similar positive net outcome with Sen Clinton campaigning on the high road these last three weeks also. You know, hitting McSame and the failed ReThug policies instead of playing her "white voter" theme. (ugh)
by JVolvo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:27:31 AM PDT
scorched earth campaign -- it didn't really toughen him up (he was already tough), but it certainly vetted him in the public eye. Little did she know that she would be building him up instead of tearing him down.
by dawnt on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:41:50 PM PDT
is the reason why we will win in November as many many other people who are opposed to Obama now have a few months to get used to him.
congrats to you and your mom!
by TrueBlueMajority on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:52:10 AM PDT
As to her belief that the country isn’t ready for a black man? "Well, you know, he’s half white," she pointed out, as though that was some special revelation. "Maybe that’s a good thing, to have someone who can see things from the point of view of black people and