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He's substantive and quite brilliant, time the media acknowledged it.
Strategy '08: Obama vs. the other guy
by dansac on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:00:00 AM PDT
and they will label Barak a policy wonk without a big picture view. They will make that pivot without even a hint of shame.
by Nailbanger on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:06:05 AM PDT
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In its quest for fairness, the media puts a little too much focus on the negative. And if one favorite critique is taken away, they'll quickly find another to replace it. The trick is, I guess, to make sure that the critique you get stuck with is reasonably innocuous.
In this day and age, you can't avoid unfair criticism, because the vast majority of people in the press are pretty bad at their jobs, and won't bother taking the time to figure out what someone's non-superficial shortcomings might be. So we get lazy nonsense like 'not substantive enough', or 'ridiculous wonk', which could be used against anyone.
by bflaff on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:22:26 AM PDT
How do you know a Republican is lying? Ask one: If the Republicans can lower gas prices for 60 days before an election, why won't they do it all the time?
by ca democrat on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:44:15 AM PDT
sided. Just because the country needs a service, doesn't mean anybody in particular is obligated to provide it.
We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"
by Gooserock on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:04:49 AM PDT
It would bankrupt coorporations.
In God we trust. All others must pay cash.
by yet another liberal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:29:49 AM PDT
The best idea would be for worked-owned businesses, but that is difficult to pull off. I've heard of neighborhoods that have pulled together to generate their own energy, but I have neither the knowledge nor organizational skills to do this.
by Fabienne on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:56:45 PM PDT
it might bankrupt some corporations that deserve it. The general public can afford to ignore what passes for news from most of our media.
We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.
by david78209 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:32:48 PM PDT
Assuming their is a coorporate virtual monopoly, how do you break it?
by yet another liberal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:32:22 AM PDT
months. I never thought I'd live to say that, but it's true. The cable shows are so vapid and unenlightening that I'm cutting down on them too.
The idea that you basically have to create your own "newspaper," cut and pasted from around the internet, should send chills down the spine of the networks, but they're too busy not doing their jobs to notice.
Why does John McCain hate kids?
by Fasaha on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:34:25 PM PDT
1991--when I realized it wasn't actually "news"--it was sensationalistic blurbs designed, in effect, to allow idiots to say they "watched the news, today". (I'm not suggesting that you are one of those idiots!! :-)
And, I got rid of my cable (the most recent time) in April. I simply could not stand the clear bias, and pure ignorance. With notable exceptions, cable news is Evil, I think.
I'm MUCH happier without TV! I now have: Less stress, more time, and $75 a month I wouldn't have had otherwise! But mostly, I'm just not yelling at the TV anymore!
HOPE: It's the new black. And it's WINNING!!
by Samwoman on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:56:47 AM PDT
... are below average, and a further 25% or so are in the mediocre range. So even when they try to do their jobs right, about 3/4 of the time the odds are stacked against getting great journalism.
by DBunn on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:58:16 AM PDT
states what to look for.
Because he can hold a great town hall like this. People will tell their friends, and then when they look at the television, they're going to hear the opposite. So Obama has to prep them.
by Excelscior1 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:03:35 PM PDT
It is distorting the truth by conveniently leaving out relevant text.
It is not just focusing on the negative
It's distorting the truth by using deceptive and fraudulent editing techniques for TV interviews.
it's not just focusing on the negative.
It's distorting the truth by continuing to repeat lies after they have been shown to be lies....often while claiming that they are just examining the dispute.
And when I say "distorting the truth," let me be blunt. The media isn't "distorting the truth." They are abetting the liar and in some cases, lying themselves.
But it is a different world. The things you said today stick around....even when you try and make them go away because they conflict with your lies.
Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.
by dweb8231 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:55:15 PM PDT
diary in itself.
by Fasaha on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:35:52 PM PDT
and added to dkospedia under "media lies"
Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)
I am an Edwards Democrat!
by Scubaval on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:09:16 PM PDT
they said Obama was too professorial and lectured in his town halls. He was too much of a policy wonk but didn't connect with the audience. It didn't take long for the media to switch to the substanceless empty suit idea.
by loralei on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:30:33 AM PDT
The GOP and their media supporters will find something negative to say about Obama no matter what he does. If he shows vision, he lacks substance. If he gives details, he's wonky. If he walks on water, he can't swim.
Recall, McCain had two ads ready to go after Obama's stop in Germany-- one bashing him for visiting wounded soldiers, and the other for if he didn't.
by DBunn on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:02:19 AM PDT
Just for this:
If he walks on water, he can't swim.
Always be sincere, even if you don't mean it. - Harry S Truman
by parker parrot on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:09:37 PM PDT
Brilliant. Fabulous. And, it's so brief and catchy some TV news outlet might not be able to resist broadcasting it.
by david78209 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:36:07 PM PDT
If you don't mind. BTW, to the techie guys. I couldn't do a link without going over 160 characters. Any shortcuts?
If he shows vision, he lacks substance. If he gives details, he's wonky. If he walks on water, he can't swim. DBunn at DKos
by TexDem on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:52:05 PM PDT
I'm kind of flattered...
Applying the thousand-monkey theory, it stands to reason that if I pound the keyboard long enough, eventually something catchy will hit the screen, lol.
by DBunn on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:16:36 AM PDT
He thinks too deeply, he is simply too eloquent, he is too well liked abroad, how can we put up with this?
I guess that has to be the message of the GOP played through their pawns- the village stenographers. When the GOP standard bearer is none of those, then....
McCain on bipartisanship: "I'll embarrass a Democrat any chance I get". --Phoenix Times
by moondancing on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:27:17 PM PDT
He's all that.
by Fasaha on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:38:54 PM PDT
his duty as president-commander-in-chief is to have the vision to see beyond the details/tactics in order to make wise decisions.
This outlook is what he emphasized in his speeches while on his recent tour of the mideast and Europe. Likely, he is now emphasizing "substance" and then bringing this substance together to paint the big picture of his vision of his goals.
Another important point he often makes is that it require small steps sometimes to reach a goal.
by paige on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:31:35 AM PDT
In the primaries, they said he had no substance, and that he was too "professorial," because he went into too much detail.
Sometimes they said that in the same paragraph.
May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care.
by Fonsia on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:22:42 PM PDT
to follow what the candidate is saying:
[They] label Barak a policy wonk without a big picture view
When reporters pretend something is too complicated for their audience to understand, it's often a cover up for the reporter's ignorance or dumbness.
If that's not the case, then the reporter is talking down to his audience. Neither alternative is good. Journalists should be in the business of educating their audience. If they don't try, they're lousy journalists whether they're not trying out of ignorance or contempt.
by david78209 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:30:10 PM PDT
of a wonk in some early campaign stops...I read a couple of articles when I was researching candidates where they talked about knowing a lot of details but that this wasn't going to inspire anyone. His big rally, televised speeches do go for the inspirational and policy is in more general terms. Depending on the interests of the group he is talking to he would go into more detail on some topics on most campaign stops...and he is always willing to in question and answers.
It just isn't reported and TV talking talkers don't bother checking. In late January in the Washington Post Kurtz wrote about it in an article Team Obama Is Courting Everybody But the Press (Yes that complaint is old too)
One media narrative that seems to be taking root is of Obama as the candidate of lofty rhetoric and Clinton as the maven of pedestrian policy talk. (snip) But the address was saturated with proposals. Obama called for tax rebates; a one-time boost in Social Security checks; extending unemployment insurance; mortgage aid for those facing foreclosure; raising the minimum wage; protecting pensions; and college tuition credits. And that was before he got to his support for solar and wind power and biodiesel fuel. (snip) How, then, has Obama been saddled with an image of being long on inspiration and short on details? The answer is that journalists are not accustomed to covering a candidate who moves crowds the way Obama does (snip) Sen. Clinton already owned the policy-wonk slot, so by default, Obama was cast as the poetic one.
I watched candidates town halls as often as I could. (the only thing I like about CNN is that they stream all the events) I read policies. ll the common gripes about no detail, about 'he says change but never says what kind of change', 'he can't speak without a teleprompter' and the like do not do that. That is a shame when it is the media
by joynow on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:41:34 PM PDT
every topic that is brought up during the question sessions at these town hall meetings. It appears that he has thought deeply about the full range of issues which will face him in November. I am always so impressed with him. I can't think of one time when I didn't think he handled the situation in the best way possible. Even the little clip of him and the strawberry shake----he's just cool. And all the give and take at these appearances, the humorous moments, the way he presents himself----you can see the audience being won over. I saw that personally myself many moons ago here in my Republicanish county of Illinois. Doubters were becoming believers. You could feel it. I always asked when I was phonebanking if they could get to an Obama appearance nearby, because it was almost a guarantee of a future Obama vote. I wish every voter could see him in person. That's all it would take.
by dotster on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:22:51 AM PDT
when he took questions from Congress. That he reminded him of Bill Clinton in that he could answer any question thrown at him without breaking a sweat with a depth and magnitude that was unmatched.
by Niwind on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:29:13 AM PDT
US Presidents. Obama would likely be in the top five to ten also. He is obviously an incredibly intelligent man.
by catfood on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:10:21 PM PDT
Scholar president.
Rachel Maddow, Wesley Clark, and David Souter were also all Rhodes Scholars, I should note.
Economic Left/Right: -3.88; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79
by joshc123 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 06:21:04 PM PDT
on tv are so lame. When the Repubs make that accusations, Dems don't push back and ask the Repubs what is McCain's plan for the future. I don't know why they can't fight back.
by christine20 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:49:45 AM PDT
Dem spokespersons on TV? Where are they? Why are there so few? Who chooses the spokespersons?
Do the TV stations deliberately go for weaker Dem talkers (like Fox pitting mousey Colmes against booming Hannity) or are these people in some kind of Dem speakers bureau vetted by the Dem party?
I really think it's a serious problem that we have so many lame spokespersons.
The only really good ones I can think of right now are Rachel Maddow and Catherine Crier.
Susan Rice is terrific, but she is not so much a Dem spokesperson but rather one of Obama's spokespersons on international affairs.
Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.
by Happy Days on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:06:34 AM PDT
I usually want to rip my hair out listening to the Dems...Rahm Emmanuel can get off a couple of zingers, but everyone else is just sort of lame.
We need Biden in the "A noun, a verb and 9/11" mode, every day of the week.
I'll take Sunday for starters, though.
by CT Voter on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:19:54 AM PDT
by anotherCt Dem on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:31:34 AM PDT
by CT Voter on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:38:17 AM PDT
that just showing them at all creates a positive bias for Obama. He just plain looks and sounds better than McCain.
So....they can get away with saying 3 times as many negative things about Obama and people still think Obama is favored.
Sean at fivethirtyeight.com has completely nailed it.
Obama will be hammered for his virtues (he looks great = presumptuous), he's smart (elitist), he's eloquent (lacks substance), he's substantial (a wonk) between now and Nov 4. I think he will win but the only help the media will have been is to show his images and speeches on the teevee.
Virtually of the analysis will be harsh.
John McCain: Like hope...but different!
by LearningCurve on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:32:14 AM PDT
He was pretty vocal during the Mid-Terms, and wouldn't take any crap from Republicans. I remember a couple of slug-fests in which he rolled right over some of their worst ranting bullyboys, without getting even a little fazed, or garbling his message. Added qualification is that he wrote The Real McCain: Why Conservatives Don't Trust Him, And Why Independents Shouldn't. We need him out there and in their faces right now.
The splurge is working!
by gotgat54 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:28:02 PM PDT
The talking heads ...
It's all in the numbers - register voters for Obama, Today!
by Blue Waters Run Deep on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:31:52 AM PDT
What makes them any better than you or I to "opine" on the national stage??
Because they went to "announcer school?"
Because they're young and skinny??
Because they have no soul and will report opinion as "news??"
Because they don't remember Walter Cronkite, and what's more, don't care??
All of the above????
by Blue Waters Run Deep on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:34:16 AM PDT
about their education and past employment be on the media's web-site
"Statistics are people with the tears washed away." Sociologist Ruth Sidel
by Vicky on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:42:20 AM PDT
anyway??
We Want Accountability for their Actions!!
by Blue Waters Run Deep on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:14:48 PM PDT
high-school dropouts club, nepotism, their mama's pleading, neighborhood friends, etc.
Aren't you impressed?
by Fasaha on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:44:26 PM PDT
because if they get anybody decent, their Republican commenters just look like idiots.
Mostly because they are idiots.
by mmacdDE on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 08:25:17 PM PDT
Asked how he plans to win the Iraq war, McCain responds "I know how to win wars." Really? Name a war you won McCain. Pathetic.
by batgirl71 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:46:58 AM PDT
class, John McCain. And his cheerleader wife. (No offense meant to cheerleaders everywhere, but I do admit that she reminds me of that Texas mother who hired a hitman to kill her daughter's cheerleading competition...)
by Fasaha on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:46:39 PM PDT
They just will not do their homework.
John&Cindy McCain:A "Dallas" and "Dynasty" rerun.
by redtex on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:02:04 PM PDT
by Fasaha on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:47:19 PM PDT
they're on CD. You can download them on iTunes.
Of course, they'd have to listen to Obama reading them.
He DID win two grammys for that, you know.
by mmacdDE on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 08:28:09 PM PDT
People are finally getting the message that a president should be, qualified, knowledgeable and a true advocate of their interests. That's a far cry from the Republican press approved version; out of touch, wealthy, fundamentally stupid white men, easily manipulated by the executive class.
There has to be an invisible sun / That gives us hope when the whole day's done -Police
by rightiswrong on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:07:40 PM PDT
The fact that McCain attempts to portray himself as our military "grunts" favorite candidate and our corrupt media preaches that view is disgusting. My Florida National Guard Staff Sgt. son and his friends have supported Obama and his Middle Eastern policies since their returns from Afghanistan and Iraq within the last two years. They have been waiting for all of the war profiteering against them and the locals to be prosecuted and investigated by the neocon Bush/Cheney/McSame cabal and their congressional enablers. They have also, been waiting for the war crimes against the locals to be investigated. It is difficult be a "real" American, active veteran these days (my son's friends that deployed to Iraq quit at 8 years, he went to Afghanistan) He and his military friends are certainly aware of McCain's votes and positions against better equipment, shortened tours, college educations (the new GI bill) and their veteran health benefits. Our corrupt, corporate media and many congressional critters had better get their shit together before November. Florida belongs to Obama. Count on it! We know that Obama will be hitting our many and huge universities this fall too! peace, mjd
I trust Barack Obama.
by mjd in florida on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:31:17 PM PDT
Obama has so much going on upstairs compared to the media. Sometimes I just don't think they're listening: they hear the stump speeches over and over so they just tune it out.
by bethcf4p on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 04:32:03 PM PDT
wide narrow
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