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  •  Re: So how could Ivins have produced it? (14+ / 0-)

    what Spertzel is saying is that the USAMRIID does not have the equipment necessary to produce spores like those used in the attacks.

    (1) Spertzel could be lying; he's hardly a disinterested party.

    (2) Spertzel could be ignorant; the classified research of one person may be unknown to the occupant of the next-door office.

    Silvio Levy

    •  The only reason I can think... (8+ / 0-)

      ...of to have such equipment is to produce weapon grade anthrax.  If they did have the equipment  Spertzel couldn't admit it as it would lend strong evidence that the US is in violation of the bio-weapons ban.

      "A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy.".... Benjamin Disraeli -8.25 / -5.64

      by carver on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 06:04:45 AM PDT

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      •  It wasn't weapons grade.... (9+ / 0-)

        that was the first big lie.  It was average good anthrax spores- first batch wasn't as good as later batches.  And Ivins had the equipment in his lab and the skills to make dried anthrax, which he was doing at the time for a DARPA experiment.  Spertzel is defending his biodefense industry and casting blame away from Ivins to promote the right wing spin!!!!!

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 06:20:52 AM PDT

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    •  The problem with this: (3+ / 0-)

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      what Spertzel is saying is that the USAMRIID does not have the equipment necessary to produce spores like those used in the attacks.

      . . . is that Spertel himself has said otherwise.

      "In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them," said Richard O. Spertzel, chief biological inspector for the U.N. Special Commission from 1994 to 1998. "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."

      Linky

    •  Can't recall my source right now (1+ / 0-)

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      but I recall reading somewhere this morning that Ivins did have access to a piece of equiptment that would have allowed him to dry the anthrax spores into a powder. He signed the equiptment out of his lab and the FBI has a record of it.
      Apparently no one is sure if he had the ability to "mill" the spores into a form fine enuf to be inhaled deeply into the lungs. At least one scientist now says that the anthrax in the letters did NOT have the special coating to make it more deadly.
      NY Times has a long article in this AM's edition, "Pressure Growing for FBI to SHow Evidence on Anthrax Scientist."

      Too many unanswered questions for me...including why an apparently bright scientist would decide to kill himself (whether out of remorse or guilt or fear of unjust arrest)with tylenol and codiene.  Its just stupid, very difficult, and makes me question whether that is what actually caused his death. Who did the autopsy?

      The "counselor's" background and minimal training has also puzzled me. Why was this guy in group therapy instead of intensive psychotherapy with an MD?  Surely the town doesn't have that many crazy murderous scientists to form a therapy group. I grew up in Frederick, and the health care there is pretty good.  I can't imagine that the local psych unit would have admitted a man described by the counselor as  "homicidal" and then discharge him a couple a days later to his home.

      •  Autopsy? (0+ / 0-)

        They don't need no steenkin' autopsy.

        No autopsy done, deliberately, which is one of the items that gets peoples' B.S sensors going.

        But Holy State (we have lived to learn) Endeth in Holy War. - Kipling

        by nargel on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:31:21 PM PDT

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      •  I think he was drinking.... (0+ / 0-)

        She was an alcohol and drug counselor.  There was an MD in the group practice.

        They were making the aerosol anthrax for "challenge" experiments.  And Ivins was getting dried powder from Dugway.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:28:03 PM PDT

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