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    Center at the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center (IICC) website

    Situation on the Ground (As of November 5, 1700 hours)

    1. It was the first time since the lull arrangement went into effect that Hamas participated in firing rockets into Israel . It was also the first time that the terrorist organizations attacked Israel with massive amounts of rocket and mortar shell fire (until now there were occasional violations of single rockets or mortar shells being fired).

    IOW, on november 5th, the day after israel broke the ceasefire (after planning the invasion since june) hamas reacted.

    Hamas blasts militants who break truce with Israel

    check out these graphs and read the text

    note the nov 4th date , the way this gov site places that pink box there w/that info. nov 4th.

    huff po

    graph from The Israeli consulate in NYC

    Figure 2. For conflict pauses of different durations (i.e., periods of time when no one is killed on either side), we show here the percentage of times from the Second Intifada in which Israelis ended the period of nonviolence by killing one or more Palestinians (black), the percentage of times that Palestinians ended the period of nonviolence by killing Israelis (grey), and the percentage of times that both sides killed on the same day (white). Virtually all periods of nonviolence lasting more than a week were ended when the Israelis killed Palestinians first. We include here the data from all pause durations that actually occurred.

    Thus, a systematic pattern does exist: it is overwhelmingly Israel, not Palestine, that kills first following a lull. Indeed, it is virtually always Israel that kills first after a lull lasting more than a week.

    The lessons from these data are clear:

    First, Hamas can indeed control the rockets, when it is in their interest. The data shows that ceasefires can work, reducing the violence to nearly zero for months at a time.

    this invasion was timed for the israel election. it was going to happen irregardless of what hamas did, or did not do.

    why didn't it happen in the West Bank?

    because israel's narrative right now is hamas equals terror.

    perhaps you should check out hama's rise to power

    maybe, just maybe you should consider some of the radicals in israel might be complicit in creating a false narrative for the express purpose of thwarting resolution before it begins.

    do you ever even ask 'what if' wrt to this possibility. it fits perfectly w/the whole concept of not allowing press into gaza. if israel were transparent it would be one thing, but they are not.

    it doesn't serve you to believe everything the idf tells you, not after the extensive hasbara campaign accompanying the war that was documented in the press. the on message. and you seems to fall for it hook line and sinker.

    there ARE people who are working towards thwarting peace. if you really want a resolution you should arm yourself w/ammo against these people, they aren't all on the hamas side of things. the most power in the dynamic is coming from israel, they have the control and the motive, don't assume everything they tell you is true, not when the evidence points otherwise, be astute.

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