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  •  a bit of a warning about this video (12+ / 0-)

    it is edited, and the Crabill campaign is claiming that the editing distorts what she was saying.  

    I have been in conversation with several people in Virginia, and one reason I had not posted it at Blue Commonwealth was the issue of ascertaining that there is no distortion in the editing.

    What Crabill says is consistent with her previous expressions - she has more than implied that the US Government was responsible for the Alfred P. Murrah Building.  

    It is fair game to challenge other Republicans in Virginia about her statements and whether they disavow them.

    But she is not the only Republican making ridiculous statements.  We have video of three statements by AG candidate Ken Cuccinelli.  In the most recent he says that he not only opposes collective bargaining for public employees, he questions whether it should be giving to private employees.  Those remarks were made when the Fairfax Police and Deputy Sheriffs endorsed the Democrat Steve Shannon.  For what it is worth, it was law enforcement endorsements two years ago that enabled Cuccinelli to barely survive (by less than 100 votes)in his reelection to his Senate seat.  He also in seeking the endorsements again said that he was willing to consider collective bargaining for law enforcement because of the nature of their jobs.

    Previously he had said he might not register his then forthcoming 7th child with social security because the government uses the number to track people.  And in his primary debate with two opponents, he said that he would not defend a Virginia law he didn't think was Constitutional, even though it is the defined duty of the office he seeks.

    We have our share of nutty Republicans in Virginia.  If Bob McDonnell wants to falsely portray himself as a moderate, we will tie him as closely as we can to any wingnuttery elsewhere in the party.

    Just a caution about this particular tape.

    Peace.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 05:10:17 PM PDT

    •  okay, an update on the video (9+ / 0-)

      Crabill is claiming it is taken out of context.  I have just been informed that the complete video runs 22 minutes, but that the portion about the guns and ammo is run without editing.  And it is in conformity with some of Crabill's other nutty statements.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 05:16:15 PM PDT

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    •  one more note (4+ / 0-)

      I have now posted the short video at Blue Commonwealth.  That posting also has several selections from her website that will put the remarks in her video in the broader context of how much a nut she really is.  You might either want to read this posting, and/or if your stomach is strong enough - perhaps having survived visits to Red State or Little Green Footballs, you might want to go directly to her website.  Due warning - she makes some of the Republican nuts in the US House seem almost sane.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 05:31:01 PM PDT

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    •  I remember Cuccinelli being nutty, (1+ / 0-)
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      but I don't remember him being this nutty. There's been quite a long list of Republicans going Macaca up there lately.

      What the hell are they drinking at the GOP events up there?

      "I will fight for my country, but I will not lie for her. " -- Zora Neale Hurston

      by blueintheface on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 05:39:45 PM PDT

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    •  Dueling messages from the two candidates (1+ / 0-)
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      Crabill defended her remarks in a statement which is included in this piece at the Washington Post website from which I offer her words:

      Crabill, a real estate agent and home-schooling mother of four, said Thursday that she would not back down from her full-throated defense of the right to use bullets to address government grievances, saying that if fiery words were good enough for Patrick Henry, they're good enough for her.

      "Those are my convictions," Crabill, 52, said in a telephone interview. "I am a full-blooded, freedom-loving American, and what we're seeing in Washington is domestic terrorism at its worst." But as the video of her remarks zipped around the Internet, she said worried she would be caricatured. And she said she wanted to make clear that she was not advocating armed resistance.

      "I have no desire to see this country erupt in any kind of violent revolution," Crabill said. "I don't even own a gun."

      Crabill also accused her opponents of editing the video to appear as if she herself believed that war was imminent and inevitable. In fact, she said, she had been reading directly from Patrick Henry's March 1775 speech at St. John's Church in Richmond, and it was he who said, "The war is inevitable -- and let it come. I repeat it, sir, let it come."

      "They edited it to make me seem more radical," she said. "My God, I was shocked."

      Read the entire Post piece to see the proper context.

      Here is the response from Al Pollard, the Democratic incumbent in the district:

      July 16, 2009

      Delegate Albert Pollard’s Statement on Recent Remarks from Catherine Crabill

      Washington, Madison and Monroe were born in my legislative district and to be bullied by a politician would be to dishonor them and the men and women who have died to protect this great country.
      Given this rich history, it particularly disappointing that a major party candidate from this region wants to use the Constitution as a justification to bully and threaten people who don’t agree with her.  I won’t let bullies wrap themselves in the flag and say that the majority vote is somehow is not the "right type of America" – attempting to scare others into doing dangerous things.
      Sadly, what my opponent recently spouted is the logical extreme of the rhetoric in Washington and, increasingly, Richmond.   It can be a short trip from over-heated rhetoric to furious anger to absolute rage.
      In short, my opponent threatened to overturn the ballot box with the bullet box.  She doesn’t realize the founders turned to the bullet box so they could have the right to a ballot box.
      While some might be saddened for the future of robust political debate in this district and country, I know that we continue to be the best region, in the best state in the best country in the world.

      Delegate Albert Pollard

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 05:48:39 PM PDT

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      •  So does being a "full blooded American" mean... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...that you don't have any of that evil brown-people blood mixed into your family? That's not even a dog whistle.

        Is there another way to take that comment?

        "That which I am writing about so tediously may be obvious to someone whose mind is less decrepit." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:02:22 PM PDT

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        •  there are lots of labels applicable to Crabill (3+ / 0-)
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          and in fact we want as wide an exposure as possible to her extreme views.  Bob McDonnell is trying to portray himself as a moderate.  We want to force him to make a choice - to either denounce this kind of statement (which will alienate some of his base) or risk losing the independents, who tend to reject this kind of extremist language.

          We are hoping beyond hope to get pictures or video of the statewide Republicans with Crabill.

          do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

          by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:04:41 PM PDT

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        •  Freudian slip (2+ / 0-)
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          The phrase is supposed to be "red-blooded American."  Where imo "red-blooded" just means passionate about the patriotism.  Freudian slip, that from her lips it turned into "mongrels need not apply."

    •  Thanks Ken. (1+ / 0-)
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      "Try not to become a man of success, but rather to become a man of value." ~ Albert Einstein

      by LamontCranston on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:08:14 PM PDT

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    •  Defending laws of dubious constitutionality (2+ / 0-)
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      when he was AG, Wiscomnsin's now GovernorJim Doyle refused to defend several. The first was my challenge to the State Capitol Assembly permit scheme (I prevailed when Tommy hired private counsel,) followed by abortion restrictions (mixed) and the aspect of the Milwaukee School voucher plan which allowed them to be spent at religious schools (held constitutional.)



      Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

      by ben masel on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:15:16 PM PDT

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      •  how are duties of his office specified? (0+ / 0-)

        In Virginia it is defined as a mandatory duty

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:31:36 PM PDT

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        •  VA Constitution Section 15 (0+ / 0-)

          Section 15. Attorney General.

          An Attorney General shall be elected by the qualified voters of the Commonwealth at the same time and for the same term as the Governor; and the fact of his election shall be ascertained in the same manner. No person shall be eligible for election or appointment to the office of Attorney General unless he is a citizen of the United States, has attained the age of thirty years, and has the qualifications required for a judge of a court of record. He shall perform such duties and receive such compensation as may be prescribed by law, which compensation shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected. There shall be no limit on the terms of the Attorney General.

          Are you suggesting the AG must repeatedly defend Statutes after they've been struck down? How about if the Federal courts have struck down identical laws in other States?



          Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

          by ben masel on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:53:31 PM PDT

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          •  the duties of office further defined by statute (0+ / 0-)

            and he has a requirement to defend Virginia law.  Cuccinelli is saying he won't defend them when they are challenged.  Come on Ben, you know exactly what I meant.

            Several people who have held the office of AG have commented but not for the record how wrong his interpretation of his duties are.  At least one of which I know was a Republican who held that office.

            do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

            by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 07:32:47 PM PDT

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            •  Ultimately up to the State Supreme Court (0+ / 0-)

              to decide the limits of the duty to defend Statutes. Any other opinions on the matter are not Opinions.

              Tommy never took Doyle to court, just hired outside counsel.  



              Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

              by ben masel on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 07:58:59 PM PDT

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      •  also, what standard of dubiousness is applied (0+ / 0-)

        those who know anything about Cuccinelli would rightly be alarmed at the idea of him applying his standard

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 06:32:27 PM PDT

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