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  •  True, but it may be generations, (6+ / 0-)

    if not centuries, before we as a society shed our bloodlust.  And climate collapse won't give us the luxury of that kind of time anyway.

    Contemptible as "centerleftdem"'s point is, it's also correct.

    •  I stopped being a Democrat (10+ / 0-)

      when Bill Clinton stopped his presidential campaign to fly back to Ark so that he could oversee (with Hillary at his side) the killing of Ricky Ray Rector.

      And centerleftdem is only partially correct:  everyone lost.

      "History is a tragedy, not a melodrama." - I.F.Stone

      by bigchin on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 11:21:14 AM PST

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      •  That's when I started being a Democrat (0+ / 0-)

        By 1992, Bill Clinton was insisting that Democrats "should no longer feel guilty about protecting the innocent" and took a position strongly supporting capital punishment. To make his point, he flew home to Arkansas mid-campaign to affirm that the execution would continue as scheduled. Some considered it a turning point in that race, hardening a soft public image.[citation needed] Others tend to cite the execution as an example of what they perceive to be Clinton's opportunism, directly influenced by Michael Dukakis and his response to CNN's Bernard Shaw when asked during a campaign debate on October 13, 1988 if he would be supportive of the death penalty were his wife to be raped and murdered. Dukakis responded that he would not.


        •  So let me get this straight (6+ / 0-)

          The root of your becoming a Democrat is because a Democrat seeking the presidency condoned killing our people?

          Is that what you're saying?

          My reasons were a bit different for becoming a Democrat? Actually my reasons were the exact opposite but it's a big tent.  

          •  Psst (0+ / 0-)

            I was just trying to mess with the above poster.

            But I fully supported Bill Clinton's decision.

            And what is this "our people".

            •  Just that I don't subscribe to the whole... (3+ / 0-)

              When someone is convicted of a crime, that person is no longer one of our people.

              I'm thinking citizen from birth to death should be the way to go. Be it natural causes, withheld healthcare or state sponsored murder. Whatever the cause of death, IMHO they are still our people.

              But things change. When I first saw Les Misérables on Broadway I was appealed that people could once treat prisoners like that. Now this nation has gotten so much closer to 24601.  

        •  The issue wasn't that Dukakis said ... (9+ / 0-)

 to the death penalty. The issue was that he responded unemotionally to a question discussing the rape and murder of his wife. Had he responded with:

          "I would be outraged and want to kill the person with my bare hands. I think most Americans would feel the same way. But that would be my reptile speaking. And much of civilization is about controlling our reptile brains so that we don't have blood feuds and vigilantism running our society. So, while I would definitely want this person dead in the most painful way possible, I think giving in to that feeling by acting on it would be terrible. I oppose the death penalty because I do not think the state can fairly decide on such matters. Moreover, I believe that life in prison without parole is a tough enough penalty, in some ways worse than the death penalty."

          He might not have won the election, but such an answer, I believe, would have been respected.

          Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 12:43:02 PM PST

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