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  •  Everyone obsessed over the FAQ (23+ / 0-)

    I don't maintain it.

    Daily Kos will be what Daily Kos is, and that oftentimes evolves. I know everyone wants their clearly defined rules, but nothing is that simple.

    This site is CERTAINLY NOT for all Democrats. Joe Lieberman learned that. Blanche Lincoln is about to learn it.

    This site is about more and better Democrats, not necessarily in that order.

    •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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      Then can whoever is in charge of the FAQ update it to reflect this point...

      PrairieStateBlue - Open Source Illinois Politics

      by ltsply2 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:05:31 PM PST

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      •  FWIW (0+ / 0-)

        I just edited the Wiki FAQ to eliminate this problematic passage... I just deleted the "what is the purpose of this site" section rather than try to divine some unambiguous statement that will be quoted ad nauseum.

        PrairieStateBlue - Open Source Illinois Politics

        by ltsply2 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:22:32 PM PST

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        •  micromanage the FAQ and pass the buck? (0+ / 0-)

          kick the can down the road?
          insert cliche' here ____.

        •  I think you're premature (2+ / 0-)
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          to remove it.

          What was there was written by Markos. As he pointed out, it evolves, but that doesn't mean it's inaccurate. It might be incomplete, and as he points out, there's nuance.

          © sardonyx; all rights reserved

          by sardonyx on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 03:43:15 PM PST

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          •  sadf (0+ / 0-)

            Which is why I wanted a real response... Oh well. I figured that until Markos actually makes a real comment it'd just be a wiki-war... Looks like I'll just have to go back to sucking it up and tolerating people quoting a post from 6 years ago as gospel.

            PrairieStateBlue - Open Source Illinois Politics

            by ltsply2 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 05:56:53 PM PST

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            •  He did confirm a number of points (0+ / 0-)

              It's still a Democratic blog. That's important to note. And we want more and better Democrats (though not necessarily in that order).

              I thought it was worth having the "Democratic blog" part emphasized, even with the imperfections age has brought to the diary as a whole—and remember, it was written less than two weeks after the 2004 election—which is why I decided to put his old words back, adding the quote from today to show that the site evolves, and that we don't support all Democrats (we try to replace the bad with better ones).

              © sardonyx; all rights reserved

              by sardonyx on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 08:13:00 PM PST

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    •  Amen. (1+ / 0-)
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      If we are a community moderated site, then we need to allow ourselves to evolve.  Our recipes for success two years ago may not get us what we want now, or two years from now.  We stagnate or evolve.  And people don't win by stagnating.

      (-9.62/-6.77) "If you don't lie down in front of the door, you're less likely to get used as a doormat" (Rachel Maddow 9-2-09).

      by revelwoodie on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:06:55 PM PST

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    •  not enough flesh (1+ / 0-)
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      If you are going for purity you should post  criteria on what makes a good Democrat, not just people not like Lieberman or Lincoln .
    •  I was not referring to... (0+ / 0-)

      political figures but bloggers...are all Democratic candidate supporters welcome who believe in more and better Democrats...or just those who support the Progressive/Liberal line?

      I realize that as some Democrats become Independents or become so divisive they will no longer be supported by DKos FPers...

      I just feel more and more the majority wants Progressive Purity...

      Your thoughts?

      Obama - Change I still believe in

      by dvogel001 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:28:58 PM PST

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    •  "This site is about more and better Democrats,- (1+ / 0-)
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      not necessarily in that order."

      Better Democrats.  

      Meteor Blades seems to do an outstanding job of community moderation despite his abject failure to be perfect.

      by catilinus on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 03:13:03 PM PST

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    •  You understand why you're getting so (7+ / 0-)

      many questions about the FAQ, though, right?

      They're looking for affirmation from teh Big Guy (uh, that'd be you, Markos) on the Daily Kos bible (not like the King James bible, but like a tv show bible - it tells all the backstory bits).

      Who are we?
      What is our purpose?

      People no longer come here just to argue politics, policy and candidates. They're looking for a way forward, a litany of policy to follow and evangelize, the word from the horse's mouth - they are the Left's version of the vast right wing radio audience, and they are hungry for a cause.  

      They got hooked on Change you can believe in.  It sustained them for months, but it's been a year now, and they are looking for fresh meat to feed their hunger, for something to believe in, again.

      Our democracy has seen some serious and cataclysmic changes over the past decade, and if the recent SCOTUS decision (not to mention the unwarranted and ugly personal attacks of ridiculous nature levied at Presdient Obama since his inauguration) on unfettered money in the election system is any indicator- this ride is only going to get bumpier in the coming months and years.

      You've done something truely wonderful here, being in the right place, at the right time, with the right real world experience and education to recognize an opportunity, when it presented itself to you in early 2003.

      This place is a fucking dream for an 48 year old, flaming liberal, who spent decades in the wilderness, trying to get my family (much less complete strangers) to talk about politics.

      Times hundreds of thousands of other people, now.

      Serious mojo there, wield it wisely.

      and please, put the fricking motto back up, would ya? I miss it.

      Political analysis and other daily rants on the state of the nation.

      •  read almost all the comments here (1+ / 0-)
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        And this is by far the most astute assessment of the state of this site, by and large.

        People are looking for leadership and guidance and getting next to none, where once they got more than enough.

        The Movement was here, post-2004 to 2008; the Obama campaign co-opted that movement in 2008; now, The Movement is floundering.

        Can't help but to be curious about What's Next, but I don't have much hope for any strong Netroots growth over the next decade. Give us a common enemy, or a common difficulty, or a tragedy to overcome and we're fine; barring that, it'll get uglier before it gets better.

        they sentenced me to 20 years of boredom
        for trying to change the system from within

        by wanderindiana on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 09:47:53 PM PST

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    •  Does that leave room for people in southern and (1+ / 0-)
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      rural districts who don't have the option of running a progressive candidate and winning?

      I voted for Nader in 2000. That's how I know progressive purity tests don't work.

      by VelvetElvis on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 05:20:24 PM PST

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    •  Put It In the FAQ (0+ / 0-)

      At least that part about "it will be what it will be" and that part about "it evolves". Oh, and the part about "better and more" Democrats (in that order).

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