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  •  Because being good little fags (33+ / 0-)

    has worked out so well so far. Let's see, after 40 years of the LGBT civil rights movement, we still have no federal protections, no state protections in half the country, a federal ban on any legal recognition of our relationships and families, and a ban on participation in the military (while DADT governs how the ban is enforced, a full and total ban was enacted in 1993). Wait, we do get to have the federal government help investigate when we're killed - and that only took 12 years after one of the worst gay bashings in our nation's history, with dozens, if not hundreds, of LGBT citizens slaughtered for being different in the meantime.

    We have a Democratic leadership that claims to support us, but won't even speak up when we are slandered, insulted, demeaned, dehumanized and attacked. We have a President who is a "fierce advocate" for our rights, which he proves by making nice speeches but actually doing nothing.

    What Dan Choi did today, which ended any hope for his military career, was to express the outrage and disgust that so many LGBT Americans feel right now. If that message is misinterpreted by the haters, so be it. They deliberately misinterpret every other fact about us, so we haven't lost anything. In fact, we may have gained something, because this protest gave us a great opportunity to learn who is with us and who is too scared to challenge the status quo (and yes, I'm talking to you Ms. Griffin and you, Mr. Solomonese).

    A government that denies gay men the right to bridal registry is a facist state - Margaret Cho

    by CPT Doom on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 01:56:22 PM PDT

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    •  righteous rant. oh, for a thousand recs. (7+ / 0-)

      In fact, we may have gained something, because this protest gave us a great opportunity to learn who is with us and who is too scared to challenge the status quo (and yes, I'm talking to you Ms. Griffin and you, Mr. Solomonese).

      ...and, at the risk of stepping on some sensitive toes, i would extend that to those here at dKos and elsewhere that temper their support (or mask their indifference, bigotry, or whatever is their real motive) with "wait", "but, but, but HCR" or any other meme designed to keep us good little queers quietly in the back of the room waiting for someone to tell us when it's ok to be pissed off at being second class citizens with fewer civil rights than those telling us to be patient.

      "A time comes when silence is betrayal." ~ MLK, Jr...Where has CANDIDATE Obama gone?

      by liberaldemdave on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 03:40:01 PM PDT

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      •  So let me get this straight (1+ / 0-)
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        If I disagree with you on the best tactics to employ that makes me homophobic or indifferent?  Oh. Ok. Didn't realize you were the grand master of political campaigns.  

        Frankly I thnk that Chios timing os great because DADT is teed up and ready to fall. Within five months it'll be gone. Within five years gay families will have full rights in to many places for the true bigots to fight anymore

        •  I would ask that you consider two things... (5+ / 0-)

          this is the first

          the second:

          I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

          MLK's Letter from a Birmingham Jail

          I understand that it can feel like an attack when we express frustration with those who tell us to wait, but I ask that you try to put yourself in our shoes...hence the quotation.

          We all have the same ideals ... the same goals. It's our road maps that differ.

          by KentuckyKat on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 04:26:55 PM PDT

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          •  No expansion of rights (1+ / 0-)
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            Has ever happened in this country without straight white males getting behind it in significant numbers. None.  I know were everybodys favorite punching bag but as we found out whites are a bigger part of the gay rights movement than anyone.  A huge chunk of them are straight and moderate.  That includes me who actually campaigns for gay rights

            However I'm going to point out again that no one is saying gay rights should be delayed. In fact people are largely saying that repealing DADT will be slower with choi moving this week than if he'd waited for the HCR storm to clear out of town. Got that?  In some peoples opinion this makes achieving gay rights SLOWER which is why they object. They disagree on tactics of the campaign. This does not make them indiffferentt or homophobic and the accusation is bullshit and frankly it's rooted in the same bigotry that says straight white people are the enemy.

            I'm a big fan of Choi's and have been for a while. I think we ought to pass a law that let's gay people into the military and kicks out the homophobes.  I don't think the timing is going to matter a lot but it is undoubtedly true that he'd have gotten bettter visibility on a slow news day than during a period when everyone is focused on the dramatic conclusion of the enactment of some of the biggest social legislation in the history of the Republic

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