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  •  But.. (none)
    There's the rub... sure Sadam was contained, but the sanctions were slaughtering the children of Iraq just as readily as any cluster bomb

    Never wrestle a pig... you both get dirty but the pig likes it.

    by nyoos junkey on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 01:40:49 PM PST

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    •  Not the same (none)
      yes the sanctions were harmful and there were medical problems and malnutrition but aid organizations were frantically trying to help the children of Iraq. Blowing them up is much worse than medical problems that can be addressed.
      •  "Medical Problems that can be addressed" (none)
        It doesn't matter that the technology exists to deal with medical problems if there is no access to it.  Malnutrition just needs good food to be addressed not medical treatment.  Suffering and dying no matter what the cause is still suffering and dying.  In fact it could be argued that at least "blowing them up" causes a quicker death than the slow agony of starvation.  

        Excuse me, but I think it's ridiculous to say that causing death and suffering one way is better than causing death and suffering another way.  And that's what you're saying when you say that one way of dying is worse than another.  

        No matter how you look at it, we have so much to answer for.

        The chips are down. Find your outrage.

        by sj on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 02:46:30 PM PST

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        •  If (none)
           there are no WMD found does that mean inspections work and that as Scott ritter has claimed that US and Britian are complicit in the death of Iraqi Civilians who died because of the sanctions?

          May there be peace on earth and may it begun with me

          by lazbumm on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 03:18:27 PM PST

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          •  Two different propositions (none)
            The lack of WMD supports the claim that inspections work.

            The lack of WMD does not really have much to do with whether the sanctions were a good policy or not. Regardless of WMD, in my view, extending the sanctions past Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait was wrong and the US and Britain are complicit in tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of deaths (1.5 million in a common higher estimate).

            I wouldn't even say complicit. I would say primarily responsible. Saddam was complicit--but the US and Britain were primarily responsible. The UN Security Council as a whole holds secondary responsibility, but the other SC countries are off the hook for primary responsibility because they changed their minds over time and would probably have ended the sanctions years before absent the US and UK position.

      •  frantically trying or not (none)
        if the miriad of reports are to be believed, there were hundreds of thousands of Children dieing under the sanctions, as a direct result of the sanctions. Something surely had to change. Maybe just smarter sanctions, maybe a more subtle intervention, maybe one of a hundred different options, but I don't think the status quo was acceptable.

        I certainately don't laud the war or the "peace" that followed, but I think you're setting yourself up for a fall if you go into any argument saying things were just fine, or indeed, even acceptable  as they were.

        Never wrestle a pig... you both get dirty but the pig likes it.

        by nyoos junkey on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 03:23:10 PM PST

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    •  Which was a perfectly good (none)
      reason to lift those devastating sanctions and re-establish a form of sanctions that would serve to contain Saddam and not the Iraqi population (something it was entirely possible to do with the appropriate political will and leadership).  

      There are enough failures in vision and leadership in recent US-Iraq history to go around.  

      "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself." -- Martin Vanbee

      by a gilas girl on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 03:09:03 PM PST

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