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  •  What I took away, (1+ / 0-)
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    Cedwyn

    regardless of what was there: We know that eye witnesses to the same event can have radically different memories of it. Forget photoshop for a moment. What if there were two videos of an event that recorded it differently and you, the jury, the viewer, have no way to measure which is real?

    •  Eye Witness Accounts (1+ / 0-)
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      have always bothered me.  As an introvert, I could be standing right in the middle of an event and not be able to tell the police anything concrete about the people involved.  I can go through a check out line and if someone asked me what the checker looked like I would be hard pressed to tell you if the person was male or female!  Hopefully I will never have to be an eye witness for anything.

    •  It is probably worth approaching this with as ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... much subtlety as we can muster.

      Memory is not the same as a retelling. What we might call memory, and what we express verbally based on that memory are likely different.

      "Which is real" is an articulation that evades the issue.  Questions need to be phrased in such a way that they can be answered.  Any two cameras not in the same position will record different moving-pictures of whatever transpires within their fields of view.  Someone reviewing the videos can say precisely what each video shows.  Whether that answers the question being asked ("Did player 88 score a touchdown?") will depend both on the question being asked and the words used within the question (What is a touchdown?).

      In short, video is just another metaphor of memory.  When pressed, we say "It appears realistic."  We do not say, "It IS real".  Even the expression "It was SO real," underscores our appreciation that it is not in any way "actually real".

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      by Yellow Canary on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 05:52:44 AM PDT

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      •  A commonplace observation of Zizek, (1+ / 0-)
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        many others I'm sure: I remember thinking even as I watched the (rerun of the) towers fall "I've already seen this film." Where was Bruce Willis? The beginning of really real reality tv. These questions about what is real just refuse to go away.

      •  all true enough (0+ / 0-)

        but the point is that the days of pictures providing incontrovertible proof are over.  that is the existential horror of photoshop. and yes; i meant "horror."  the ability to manipulate images to re-shape reality is a truly terrifying development.

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        by Cedwyn on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 09:40:20 AM PDT

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