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  •  Wow (none)
    I have to say, nice catch.

    How much do you think $200,000 buys from Vance? It can't be much. If I had to guess, I'd say it was propoganda services.

    There is a heaven, but ill never get there... i keep respawning...

    by Sandals on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 07:16:15 PM PST

    •  Vance International (none)
      Looked over their website. It seems oriented towards corporate customers and bodyguard-training programs. They probably don't want to put out a public face on their other business...

      Looking at the blurb on Asset Protection Teams, I noticed something...

      Asset Protection: Responsive in critical situations, Vance International's Asset Protectin Team (APT) is the undisputed leader in the field of labor unrest and major event security. APT provides crisis management consulting, security personnel for labor disruptions (strikes, plant closings, downsizings) as well as natural disasters or other emergencies, and special event security.Discipline and restraint characterize APT, whose operations pioneered the use of photo and video documentation to control volatile situations and ensure that our clients prevail in legal proceedings.

      Security for the National Convention?

      There is a heaven, but ill never get there... i keep respawning...

      by Sandals on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 07:22:00 PM PST

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      •  Special event security... (none)
        = keeping the press from talking to the crowd assembled to cheer the "">crooked liar at speeches like this one.

        Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin would be so proud....

        Especially when visions harden into dogmatic ideologies, they become inhuman, cruel and dangerous. - Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

        by wingedelf on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 07:48:53 PM PST

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      •  Miami (none)
        I'm wondering if they were involved in Miami. I'm not saying if they did it would be associated with campaign funds. But it would be a good way to give people the image of what it means.
        •  Probably were (none)
          There are a myriad of stories out there of operatives infiltrating pre-protest meetings. Some of them have been acused of trying to incite violence. If you think Karl Rove is going to give up his monarchy for something as trivial as his puppet being unpopular, well, then you must have slept through the 2000 election...
      •  I don't know (none)
        If it was "special security" for the republican national convention, wouldn't it be wiser to have the RNC pay for it rather than something that has to be so publicly scrutinized?  I hope someone gets to the bottom of it.
      •  I have an idea what they could be doing! (none)
        $200,000 is nothing but for those of you who remember Watergate, cash was ALWAYS available.  So maybe follow the money is still true.

        I know what these guys can do that our Army or our CIA wouldn't do, put WMD in Iraq so that our guys can find it!  

        •  [WARNING] -- Deep in Tin Foil Hat Territory... (none)
          There was story[1] posted in a diary[2] couple of days ago that discusses 1980-1990's era WMD being unloaded from a commercial cargo ship by the "military". Was it Vance rather than the US military? It's a good question and certainly something to keep in mind if such a tock pile is "found"....
          •  Vance Hires Guards and Thugs (none)
            Their people are basically higher functioning guys that patrol around a facility just like other security guards, ex-secret service types who provide good protection for high-profile targets (or egomaniacs who fashion themselves as such and convince their corporate board to pay for their personal security), or they're goons who couldn't adapt to life outside the military and like living in barracks, wearing riot gear, and kicking the shit out of labor activists.  

            I don't think they'd be running around doing spooky things like what you describe.  There are plenty of Executive Outcome-types, ex-CIA, ex-South African Defense Force, ex-French Foreign Legion folks who are better trained and disciplined to do that kind of stuff, if it was even done.  

            •  I agree... (none)
              ... it's unlikely that the Bush campaign would be stupid enough to pay for something like that out of campaign funds (and then tell us about the deal)..

              Sometimes, it's fun to play along with the conspiracy theory..

    •  How much do you think $200,000 buys from Vance? (none)
      $200,000 - not much. But $200,000 can go a long way when coupled with "other considerations" like government contracts. Maybe these guys will get a couple million to guard the Iraqi Governing Council when the CPA pulls out. Maybe they'll organize a coup somewhere in latin america. WHo knows?
      •  re: the Iraqi Governing Council (none)
        Maybe these guys will get a couple million to guard the Iraqi Governing Council when the CPA pulls out.

        Not a stretch at all. These guys already claim to have

        Support and sponsorship from key decision makers connected to and working in the Governing Council of Iraq

        There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. --Benjamin Disraeli, cited by Mark Twain

        by sheba on Fri Mar 19, 2004 at 09:40:19 PM PST

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