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  •  SUPPORT RYAN (3+ / 0-)
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    I think Ryan is no worse than any other Illinois politician.  As an African-American and ex-Illinois resident I was pleased that he has never participated in racial politics; and never took part in national republican politics.  

    One thing I know for sure is he saved Jesse Jackson from the Bush Administration and the IRS.

    He certified that the Rainbow-Push Organization met all conditions for non-profit in the State of Illinoiz.  The Bushes were upset with Jackson speech at the 2000 convention "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, STAY OUT OF THE BUSHES"

    Gov. Ryan will win on appeal.

    •  Sorry (1+ / 0-)
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      Goldfish

      ....when hell freezes over.

    •  Those are some good points, but (3+ / 0-)
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      cdreid, musing85, think blue

      It's true, George Ryan could have been worse.  He doesn't seem to be a racist too, which is good.

      One thing Georgia10 didn't say was that stopping executions in Illinois was the right decision.  After having 12 death row convictions over-turned, I think George Ryan felt what a lot of us felt, no matter our party affiliation.  I don't think he was using a ploy to avoid is later indictment.  I think he was actually trying to do the right thing.  I watched the speeches, and saw the way he fought for it.  I thought then, and now, that it was very admirable.  

      I still think he should serve time.  It's the only way Illinois politians will ever learn to quit wasting money on friends for bullshit stuff we don't need.  

      He not busy being born is busy dying.

      by jarrrettg on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 11:16:20 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not so sure (0+ / 0-)

        Didn't both Ogilvie and Walker (the last two Illinois governors to be convicted of corruption) both do time?

        •  I don't believe Ogilvee (2+ / 0-)
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          was ever charged or convicted of any crime, although most conservatives would say that initiating a state income tax qualifies as one.
          You may be confusing him with Otto Kerner (who was also diminutive of stature and wore glasses.)
          Interestngly, Kerner was convicted via a creative interpreation of law, wherein the prosecutor argued that the mere appearance of impropriety by an elected official was enough for a conviction, even if no law was in fact broken.
          That interpreation was ruled unconstituional by the Supreme Court Of The United States many years later, by which time Kerner had not only served his sentence, but also died.
          The prosecutor in question was none other than Jim Thompson, who went on to become the king of "pay to play" in Illlinois, without ever getting into any trouble for it.  He is now a senior partner and rainmaker for Winston Strawn, the very same law firm that has been defending George Ryan pro bono.
          Small world, Illinois politics.

          Turning water into wine is just going to give them an entitlement mentality.

          by jazzmaniac on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 08:13:14 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah, I figured that out (0+ / 0-)

            when I was researching my own post on the conviction. All I remembered was the connection between Ogilvie and a shoebox full of money. But it turns out the shoebox belonged to the Democratic Secretary of State at the time, and that Ogilvie was never a suspect in any of the myriad investigations that resulted from that surprise find after the SoS's untimely death. In my defense, I was only about six years old when all that went down, and the details are more than a bit fuzzy in my recollection.

            And Walker wasn't convicted while in office, or, apparently, on the basis of official corruption. He went down because of a couple of failed S&L's.

        •  Kerner and Walker (0+ / 0-)

          did time.  Ogilvie was clean, and was well respected by most.  He initiated the state income tax, which cost him his political career.

      •  Moritorium could have been (1+ / 0-)
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        his "moment of clarity" so to speak, but being the schemer that he is, I think he knew it would cast a positive light on his character that was soon to be heavily scrutinized in court. I hope that he really did feel it was the right thing to do though. Unfortunately, most poloticians leave me overly skeptical of their motives. Who'd have guessed that, right?

        "Its a grave digger's song, Praising God and State. So the Nation can live, So we all can remain as cattle. They demand a sacrifice..." -Flipper

        by Skid on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 11:49:15 AM PDT

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    •  Like Hell (0+ / 0-)
      The idea that we should overlook Ryan's rampant and unadulterated corruption because he did something good, acting under motivations that are debatable, at best, is not simply objectionable and wrong-headed, it is categorically immoral.

      Tell me this: If George Bush declared a federal death penalty moratorium and commuted the sentences of those on death row to life in prison, what would you be willing to forgive him? Wire-tapping? The botched Katrina response? Iraq? Just how far are your elastic morals able to stretch before enough is enough?

      This game of moral relativism is myopic nonsense.

      Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

      Feingold for President

      by Goldfish on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 02:23:49 PM PDT

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      •  I don't see the comparison (1+ / 0-)
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        between Bush and Ryan. Some shady deals, bad as they were, in no way compares to destruction of many thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars, and placing the U.S. on the highway to hell.  That said, if Bush did announce a federal death penalty moratorium, I'd give him credit for it. I'd say it would be worth a few years off the thousands of years in the Big House he ought to face for violation of the FISA act alone (my understanding: 5 years per violation).

        But I'm with you on Feingold! Censure now, impeach tomorrow, life sentence in January, 2009. Bush to the Hague!

      •  I'd be willing to give him a kind word (0+ / 0-)

        And some respect because I've seen the death penalty system at work, and that is in Cal. where at least they provide real resources for the atty to work with.  In some parts of the South they give a few thousands of dollars and take what they can get.

        Would it excuse his brutal arrogance? no.  Would it excuse his attack on Iraq? no.  Hell, what are we talking about, he would never do anything to stop the death penalty so I think your argument is sort of a straw man.

        Do what you need to do to Ryan, but he took a brave stand on an issue of life and death to those who have little voter appeal and few friends in polite society.

        "I said, 'wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson -8.13, -4.56

        by NearlyNormal on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 04:11:38 PM PDT

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