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  •  Buzzword bingo (none)
    Let's see... we've got "appeasement," "forcing a settlement," "Islamo-fascists"...

    So many tendentious phrases to choose from.  Let's start with "forcing a settlement."  I don't happen to think that Israel is entitled to carte blanche to the tune of billions a year when its foreign policy is directly contradictory to international law and to the interests of the United States.  So you won't be surprised that I don't think that putting reasonable conditions on future assistance would not be "forcing" anyone to do anything.

    "Appeasement" gives the warm fuzzies to those who would like to see a wide variety of historically disparate situations through the lens of Munich.  Munich involved an expansionist state that sought to extend its reach into territory not its own.  The world made a big mistake in caving to that expansionist state.  

    The Munich analogy does not hold.  Israel is not Czechoslovakia.  The Palestinians are not the Third Reich.  It would not be appeasement for Israel to act lawfully and justly in the territories it occupies, nor to offer compensation to those it displaced.

    "Islamo-fascists"... Jordan??? Jordan is a fascist state? Stateless Palestinians are fascists? Or are you perhaps referring to Lebanon? Egypt? Pakistan? Morocco? Turkey? Bad historical analogies again.

    President Bush: Weakness in Isolation.

    by C S McCrum on Mon Mar 22, 2004 at 01:43:28 AM PST

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    •  correction (none)
      end first full paragraph should read:

      ...I don't think that putting reasonable conditions on future assistance would be "forcing" anyone to do anything.

      President Bush: Weakness in Isolation.

      by C S McCrum on Mon Mar 22, 2004 at 01:46:09 AM PST

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      •  Jordan? (none)
        I've been quite clear that I am referring to appeasement of OBL and his fellow travelers (they are the terrorists, Islamo-fascists etc).  You have chosen to misunderstand me.  So be it.

        Let's talk Jordan. You seem to think this is a wonderful example of an open, free society.  It is not.  It is an autocratic repressive state that appears better than it is only by comparison to its Arab neighbors.  Do a Google search of the term "honor killing".  Look up the history of the Palestinian uprising against King Hussein.  Who did Jordan support in the Gulf War?  With friends like that, neither we nor the Palestinians need enemies.  

        •  It is not "appeasement" (none)
          to remove one's boot from one's neighbor's neck in order to reduce the likelihood that the neighbor's son, when he grows up, will want you dead.

          The whole "appeasement" thing is riven with  inconsistencies.  If there is a general principle that one doesn't make concessions to an adversary who does terrible things, then no armed conflict will ever have a negotiated end.  Israel says that making concessions to Palestinians would be appeasement, but it faults Palestinians for not appeasing Israel: i.e., for not conceding territory to Israel, from 1948 forward, in hopes that Israel will be satisfied and not want more.  [Hard to blame them: Israel, alone among states, won't even say how much territory it claims rightfully belongs to it.]

          Not sure what your point about Jordan is.  I don't hold it up as a paragon.  Israel's problem is that the population of Jordan and the rest of the region has very good reason to hate Israel's guts.  Sharon's solution is to give them more reasons.

          The problem with OBL and fellow criminals is not that they are "fascists," a historically silly label, but that they is riding a wave of resentment that it is in the power of the West to stoke or dampen.  I favor dampening it. You seem to favor stoking it, though I may be misreading you.

          President Bush: Weakness in Isolation.

          by C S McCrum on Mon Mar 22, 2004 at 11:56:01 PM PST

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