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  •  I appreciate Kerry coming out now (0+ / 0-)

    but I will always wonder where we'd be right now if he and so many other Dems, who were too afraid to speak truth to power, had not voted for the resolution. No amount of saying, "I thought, we all thought, that Hussein had WMD. " or whatever excuse cuts it.
    I KNEW there were no WMD, the inspectors on the ground in Iraq said so. People allowed themselves to be scared. Even Cheney at one point in '02 said that Iraq might be a decade away from a nuke - that comment gets lost in the shuffle. Now we have Iran, even farther away than Iraq, but still being accused of having WMD. And Bush is beating the drums to attack them (Hello, Divine Strake?)
    I am angry at all the politicians who used their  who had been scared by the Bush machine instead of standing up, asking tough questions and refusing to give in until positive proof was there. It was their duty to sniff out the lies before hand.
    So John, speak up, speak forcefully. But don't ever think for a minute that I can trust you to do the right thing at the right time ever again. '02 was the right time and you and Hillary and other Democrats were afraid. 2384 soldiers and countless Iraqis havae died as a result of being afraid to speak truth to power when it counted. We can't afford politicians who are afraid any more.
    Calling Russ Feingold...

    All Truth is non-partisan

    by MA Liberal on Sat Apr 22, 2006 at 09:33:48 AM PDT

    •  There were no inspectors in 2002 (7+ / 0-)

      So there were no inspectors to say there were no WMD in Iraq in 2002.  You couldn't possibly have known anything at the time of the vote based on inspectors on the ground.  The reason Kerry voted for the IWR was to make sure inspectors got into Iraq so we'd know what was there, get rid of anything if there was, and avoid war.  Going to war AFTER the inspectors got in there was the mistake, and that was all George Bush.  

    •  Life goes on (3+ / 0-)
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      and so have I.

    •  There weren't inspectors on the ground (7+ / 0-)

      You've got the chronology a little out of order. The IWR was supposed to be the big stick that let Bush put pressure on Saddam to let the weapons inspectors back in. As JK said, "The plan was simple" -- get the inspectors back in through threat of force. And it worked. Only Bush was hell-bent on going to war after the inspectors went in. But they hadn't been allowed in before October 2002; that was a big part of why Kerry et al. voted Yes on the IWR, to put the screws to Saddam and get them back in.

    •  Peace activist (2+ / 0-)
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      AlienCode, dynamicdems

      Obviously, some of us who opposed the Iraq war are still stuck in those days.  However, some of us have, out of necessity, moved down the river, ugly a river as it is.

    •  Do You Learn from Your Mistakes? (6+ / 0-)

      It is possible for politicians, like all human beings, to learn from their mistakes? In school or in business, if we turned our back on every person who made a mistake, where would we be? Don't we depend on our ability as human beings to learn from our mistakes?

      MA Liberal is not the only person angry at Kerry and all the other politicians who voted for the war resolution. Feingold's vote against the war was the right vote, and he is entitled to use that vote, and the rest of his record, to make his case to the American people if he wants to run for the Presidency. But so are John Kerry, and John Edwards, and Hilary Clinton, and Mark Warner,.....We have to trust the voters to look at what all of these people are saying, about where the country is now, and make up their own minds about who they want the nominee to be. Who knows what the world will look like by the end of the 2008 primaries, much less by November of 2008?

      •  Wrong vote--right view (7+ / 0-)

        Kerry realizes he was wrong to vote for the IWR as Bush lied about seeking a diplomatic solution. He was wrong on the vote, but right in urging Bush not to rush to war.

        While some dwell on the IWR, they forget Kerry's many anti-war statements. This includes his Senate floor statement on the IWR, his op-ed in the NY Times and Foreign Affairs, his Georgetown speech, and his call for regime change in the United States at the onset of the war in protest.

        Those who just talk about the IWR distort Kerry's overall anti-war position from the start.

        •  I Just Thought He Wasn't Being True To Himself. (0+ / 0-)

          The person that was the John Kerry of "Going Upriver" seemed to be obscured not only by his own somewhat disavowing actions, but by the playing down of the lessons learned of that time as well by his team during the campaign.  It's extremely great to see him get back to his roots.  Yesterday I heard quite possibly the BEST explanation for Bush's 90% support and the Democrats being easily misled by this administration, a mass post traumatic stress disorder brought on by 9-11.  That notion struck me, and for once, I thought to myself, maybe THAT explains so many people voting against what appears to be their consciences and even some of the facts they had as Kerry did.  I forgive him for it, yes, as he has been the bigger man, said it was a horrible vote, and takes full responsibility for it.  As for whether he would make a better presidential candidate this time around, perhaps, if he sticks to his truest convictions.

          •  I think any uncertainties (2+ / 0-)
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            dynamicdems, A Patriot for Kerry

            are long behind him.

            He's back.

          •  The JK of Going Upriver (3+ / 0-)

            Was calm, contained, subtle.  
            It was an illuminating view of his leadership style and skill - at 27.

            Kerry was contained and subtle in '04 too - all the more because of that
            national shock. Which Bush and Rove kept stirring up.

            Kerry's stepping up on the criticism has been inversely proportional to the national shock going down.

            Being too critical in that situation can evoke defense of the person being criticised.

            Happens all the time with women and others who are abused. There is a psychological state that goes with trauma and disorientation that Cy-ops and advertizing use constantly..  While the person/public is disoriented by the trigger event (9/11) you say things to put them in a 'child' status, taking directions without questioning, feeling like they need the protection of the 'adult".  When they start to realize they may actually be a victim it is frightening, they don't want to add more fear to their worldview and start defending the abuser.

            The more you pay attention to JK in context and over time, the more
            you realize just how much he has to offer.

      •  I was sad, and mad... (3+ / 0-)
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        at the outcome of that vote, especially after all the phone calls I made.  My senator Jean Carnahan, who also voted yes on IRW, lost her seat by around 1,000 votes.  I forgave her quickly because to do less would have cost me more.

        To me, a measure of a person isn't so much about their mistakes, but what actions they take after they make them.

    •  Most thought there was WMD (5+ / 0-)

      Even Saddam's own generals thought there was WMD (per Cobra II). Saddam was trying to make people believe there was WMD in order to intimidate enemies.

      There were no inspectors in at the time. This was the point of the IWR--to force the inspectors in and go to war as a last resort if Saddam refused. Bush misused the authorization granted him

      Kerry made it clear he only supported going to war if we were threatened by WMD, but something had to be done when Saddam was refusing to allow the inspectors back in.

    •  I missed it (5+ / 0-)

      has Feingold put an actual plan out there? This isn't about him today. Let's be respectful of Senator it is about and the people who worked hard today to share this event here.

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