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  •  This goes beyond environmentalism (0+ / 0-)

    If Chaffee were a sure vote on this issue, you might have a point, but as recent votes have shown, Chaffee can't be counted on when the chips are down. So what good is he? He might as well be a winger.

    I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

    by incertus on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 10:36:16 PM PDT

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    •  Chafee is a good vote 70% of the time (0+ / 0-)

      He does NOT have to be an ace in the hole, and all powerful, to be MORE valuable than a Democrat if the Republicans are in the majority.

      Try again.

      He had a 20% rating one year.

      He had a better than 70% rating in 2004-2006. He had a 67% positive environmental rating in the past 7 years according to the Sierra Club, and a 90% rating by the LCV recently.

      He does not have to be a sure vote all the time for this point to be valid.

      I am baffled as to why you would think he WOULD have to be a sure vote to be more valuable than a member of the minority party in the same seat. Even a staunch environmentalist who was a Democrat would be less likely to influence legislative action in the Republican-controlled Senate than Chafee.

      And, in fact, he probably is MORE likely to HAVE some impact and some influence if he is NOT gung-ho on the topic. If he asked for the moon, he might not get anything. If he asks for a smaller concessiion, he is more likely to get it.

      Once again, the BEST results for environmentalists would be a Democratically-controlled Senate. But with a Republican-controlled Senate, the best results for environmentalists could easily be Chafee in that seat.

      ...but not your own facts.

      by slouise217 on Thu Apr 27, 2006 at 12:19:51 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

        if you're trying to be aggravating with that "try again" line, but trust me, it's aggravating, especially since you haven't proven my point of view demonstrably wrong. We disagree on a main point that deals primarily with strategy. That's all. And in the end, we agree that the best outcome is for a Democratically controlled Senate.

        But here's the thing--to get to that control, we need to have Senators from all the blue states, because there are fewer blue states, and win some red ones. Well, in the West, we've done a pretty good job at the latter. But there's no excuse for having Republican Senators from Rhode Island and Maine, just to name a couple, and while Snowe and Collins aren't vulnerable, Chaffee is, so if the goal is to get Democratic control, Chaffee has to go. It would be another story if Chaffee was pro-environment and was from, oh, Utah. Then the endorsement makes sense, since there's little chance we'd win there anyway. But in Rhode Island?

        We need that seat--end of story.

        I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

        by incertus on Thu Apr 27, 2006 at 09:27:05 AM PDT

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