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    That is the Accord Hybrid.  The idea of having hybrid/ non-hybrid models is old.  Remember, only the first two, the Insight and the Prius, were distinct models-- since then hybrids have been continuations of the regular models, with equal if not better passenger safety and comfort features.  

    •  True - but with that has come some not so (0+ / 0-)

      stellar mileage improvements.  The problem is that big heavy cars don't reap much benefit from the electric motor (as its too small to actually drive the car as much as a Prius which is very light by comparison)

      The Lexus hybrid SUV barely gets better mileage than its gas sibling 1-2 mpg... it DOES however go faster and have more torque (power off the line) - an ironic twist if I may say so...

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      by mlangner on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 09:43:50 PM PDT

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      •  That's because Lexus knows... (0+ / 0-)

        ...its customers won't buy "green" if they think it's underpowered or otherwise somehow lesser than a non-hybrid model.

        •  Perhaps - but its more an issue of physics (0+ / 0-)

          than choice.  Both Toyota and Honda have a strong committment to green vehicles - and Lexus/Toyota is selling every one they make - Toyota is WAY out ahead of the market in the development of the technologies needed to make hybrids work - particularly the computing technology and chips (another failing of the U.S. manufacturers - e.g., Ford now licenses Toyota's technology for the Esacpe hybrid)  

          The electric motor which is used for slow speed and take off is by its nature a much higher torque motor which creates the take off power - that's why a Prius has nice performance numbers despite having a tiny engine.  The problem is that the Lexus is so much heavier that it needs the assistance of the gasoline motor more often and earlier than a Prius - and that gas motor needs to be larger to move the heavy vehicle.

          Ideally you would size up the electric motor to balance the heavier weight of the car - except that physics gets in the way - the batteries to support a larger electric motor would be too large to fit in a Lexus and weigh far to much - so its a bit of a losing battle given the current technology.  As energy storage technology improves we should see better numbers out of heavier vehicles using hybrid technology.

          "Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants" Justice Louis Brandeis

          by mlangner on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 02:45:30 PM PDT

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    •  Compare Accord V-6 to Accord V-6 Hybrid (0+ / 0-)

      From Edmunds.com:

      Invoice Price:
      2006 Accord V-6 w/ navigation system:  $26,385
      2006 Accord V-6 Hybrid w/ navigation system:  $29,681

      EPA MPG Estimates (city/highway):
      2006 Accord V-6 w/ navigation system:  (20 mpg/29 mpg)
      2006 Accord V-6 Hybrid w/ navigation system:  (25 mpg/34 mpg)

      Also, the non-hybrid model has a moonroof, and the hybrid model does not.

      As someone who fills a gas tank at most once every two weeks (I take public transportation to work each day, and only drive a car on weekends and occasionally some weekdays), I'll take the cheaper Accord with the moonroof any day.  The hybrid, which isn't that more fuel efficient than the non-hybrid, just isn't worth the price.

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      by jim bow on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 02:38:40 PM PDT

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