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  •  Excuse me (0+ / 0-)

    the 2005-2006 scorecard comes from the Sierra Club e-mail itself.

    You are just being absurd now.

    "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

    by Armando on Mon May 01, 2006 at 03:30:31 PM PDT

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    •  No, it doesn't say that (1+ / 0-)
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      What the e-mail says is that the scorecard is being put together, not that it is complete.  Read it again before you begin name-calling.
      •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

        So they give us the partial result ay?

        And the Alito filibuster vote is not "tentatively" on the list?

        Heh. Okaaay.

        "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

        by Armando on Mon May 01, 2006 at 08:54:56 PM PDT

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        •  You have no idea (2+ / 0-)
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          what is tentatively on the list.  Where does it say that in the e-mail?  Avoid the snark and deal in some facts for a change.
          •  Excuse me (0+ / 0-)

            I KNOW that the vote on Alito's filibuster can NOT be on the list since it says he was 7  for 7 and he voted No on the Alito filibuster.

            Seriously, what the hell is up with you and your cohorts?

            This is basic and central to MArkos' post.

            You guys just don't want to hear it obviously.

            What a waste of time this discussion is.

            Blind SC partisans.

            I am officially tuning you out now.

            "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

            by Armando on Mon May 01, 2006 at 11:25:22 PM PDT

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            •  The vote on Alito's filibuster (0+ / 0-)
              was 72-25.  There are 55 Republicans in the Senate.  That means 17 Democratic votes for ending the filibuster.  Chafee's vote didn't matter, unless you consider a 71-26 vote a victory.

              It's not blind partisanship--if it had been, I would have agreed with their endorsement.  I don't, especially the general election endorsement, and I have said that repeatedly.  You don't want to hear that.  

              I have merely tried to explain the process the Sierra Club uses and give some reasons why they made this endorsement.  I haven't said I agreed with it, just that I understand how interest groups work.  

              If there were greater Democratic unity on the environment, then the Chafee endorsement wouldn't have been necessary for the Sierra Club.  But as long as we let Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu get away with abandoning us on every important vote (including the Alito filibuster), equating a vote for any Democrat as a vote for the environment is foolish.

              •  Yadda yadda (0+ / 0-)

                "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

                by Armando on Tue May 02, 2006 at 11:34:59 AM PDT

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                •  re: Yadda yadda (0+ / 0-)

                  Your usual high level of discourse, Armando.  But hey, at least you spelled "yadda yadda" correctly.

                  •  Ray (0+ / 0-)

                    When you do not have the courtesy to admit your error and your vitriol is apparent to anyone please spare me the nonsense.

                    No one is in this thread but you and me. you can stop preening now.

                    "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

                    by Armando on Tue May 02, 2006 at 04:27:45 PM PDT

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                    •  No need (0+ / 0-)
                      to admit error when there is none.  The Sierra Club targets issues; that's not the same as a scorecard.  The LCV issues a scorecard for the environmental movement.  That's all I've been trying to point out.  That's not nonsense, vitriol or preening.

                      And, please, spare me the lectures about courtesy.  You were the one who labeled me "absurd" to begin with.

                      Look, we both want Chafee to be defeated and we both know that the only way there will be a Democratic Senate in '07 is through Rhode Island.  But on this one issue, the point I've been trying to make is that simply having a Democratic majority won't guarantee us progressive environmental legislation.  There are too many DINOs in our caucus, and you and Kos consistently ignore them or defend them, with the exception of Lieberman.  Ben Nelson votes with the other Democrats less than Chafee does, and yet everyone makes excuses for him.  

                      If everyone is so hot to get rid of Chafee, who has a 78% lifetime pro-environment voting record, then why not get rid of Nelson, who not only has a lousy voting record on the environment, but who has abandoned us on every important judicial nominee vote since Bush took office?  

                      Let's defeat as many Republicans as we can, but it matters which Democrats we put in their place.  That's all I've been saying.

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