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  •  Yet more planted pro-Iran war misinformation? (0+ / 0-)

    I came across this on the BBC late yesterday, via Raw Story:

    Iran 'attacks Iraq Kurdish area'
    Last Updated: Sunday, 30 April 2006, 15:12 GMT 16:12 UK
    Iraq has accused Iranian forces of entering Iraqi territory and shelling Kurdish rebel positions in the north.

    Iranian troops bombed border areas near the town of Hajj Umran before crossing into Iraq, the defence ministry in Baghdad said on Sunday.

    It said the Iranians targeted the PKK, a Kurdish group that has waged a 15-year insurgency against Turkey.

    The PKK is believed to have links with anti-Iranian Kurdish fighters. There are no details on casualties.

    The Iraqi defence ministry also says Iran launched a similar attack on Kurdish rebel positions in the same area on 21 April.

    There are no reported comments from Tehran on either of the alleged incidents.

    Anyone know anything about this? It sounds like precisely the sort of phony story that the DoD would try to plant in the news to pimp up its war plans with Iran.

    Why would Iran attack Kurds in Iraq who have not attacked or threatened it? The source of this news--the US puppet Iraqi defense ministry--lends more doubt to the veracity of this story. The disengenuous throwaway comment about how "The PKK is believed to have links with anti-Iranian Kurdish fighters" is right out of Cheney's "There can be no doubt that Iraq now possesses WMD" playbook of lies. No independant verification is given. The whole story reeks of propaganda. Does Tony Blair now control the BBC?

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Mon May 01, 2006 at 12:18:05 PM PDT

    •  Interesting comment, Kovie, but naive (0+ / 0-)

      There are at least 3 Kurdish insurgent groups.  One is anti-Turk, one is anti-Iran, and one is anti-Iraq/Saddam.

      This strife has been going on for YEARS and sometimes the Kurdish groups ally with other Kurds' enemies...for example, the PKK (anti-Turk, as I recall from their bombing campaign while I was stationed there) sometimes allied w/ or got support from Iran.  Maybe someone at BBC got the group name wrong, or maybe the Iranians weren't satisfied with a PKK warlord for some reason.  Things are sometimes ugly there and the border is rather porous (think about 10,000 times more porous than the US/Mexico border).

      No reason for me, based on experience, to think the BBC was wrong...but they may not have the whole story, either.

      Best regards,

      •  But you can understand, I assume (1+ / 0-)
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        the natural tendency (at this point) to suspect that the BushCo pro-war propagandists could be behind this story. No need to give examples as they've been well-established by now (and I'm sure that as someone who served there you saw your own share of horseshit passing as truth in order to justify actions). I'm not saying that this story isn't true, just that at this point I view every such story with automatic suspicion, as should everyone else. I don't think that's naive at all. Just the opposite, in fact.

        One of the biggest potential tragedies of the Bush administration's campaign of lying to get its way is that we can no longer be sure when a crisis is real, and when it's manufactured, setting up the possibility that when a real crisis does emerge, we won't deal with it because we assume that we're being lied to. I imagine that such suspicion will extend into the next couple of administrations, of either party, much like suspicion of the president extended beyond the Nixon administration (and still exists on left, for good reason).

        Yet another horrible legacy of the Bush years.

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Mon May 01, 2006 at 01:00:13 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, I Diaried it Yesterday (0+ / 0-)

      And we got some really good conversation - my final take is that this could be BS from and Iraqi minister who wants to broaden the conflict and ensure the U.S. sticks it out. Who knows, maybe this is carefully placed U.S. propaganda.

      Here's the diary entry with some historical analysis.

      "What's in the name of lord, that I should fear; To bring my grievance to the public ear?" - The Crisis, January 13, 1777

      by TPaine on Mon May 01, 2006 at 01:44:55 PM PDT

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      •  Interesting that few in the media (0+ / 0-)

        are discussing how we've alienated Turkey and made it easier and more logical for them to align with Iran wrt the Kurds.

        Nice job there, Condi and your lapdog Hadley. And where was your predecessor Powell when this was all happening? Sounds like a total screw-up to me.

        It seems pretty clear that BushCo are trying to use the Iranian nuclear "threat" to distract from and hopefully negate their political woes and massive policy failures, one of which was allowing this situation to develop where Turkey and Iran become allies over the Kurds.

        I can't tell if this story is planted or real, but it certainly wouldn't surprise anyone who's studied how BushCo operates to find out that it was planted. Shades of their crazy plan to paint an airliner to look like it was from the UN to provoke the Iraqis to shoot it down and create a causus belli.

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:13:24 PM PDT

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