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  •  There is absolutely no evidence that will happen. (0+ / 0-)

    That is absolutely pure 100% speculation. If you want to convince me that I need to have a shotgun in case of revolution, I would like evidence, not speculative fiction.

    •  here's the tip of an iceberg for you (3+ / 0-)

      Go look up all the comments by various officers & enlisted about the implications of the part of the oath about "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic," in the context of whether a certain Regime can be considered a domestic enemy of the Constitution.

      I was clued about that one a few years ago and I thought it was a bit way-out and we'd never see the day when that kind of stuff was discussed openly.  

      But go look, there's more and more of that kind of talk going around each month.  This is not just a few dissidents or rebellious types.  This is a meme that is in serious circulation, far and wide throughout the ranks.  

      Let me spell it out terribly bluntly, what this means:  

      When you read something by someone in the military (active or retired) discussing the oath or obligation to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic, and when you read it in the context of whether a particular Regime can be considered a domestic enemy of the Constitution, what they are talking about is this:  Under what circumstances if any, would it be appropriate for members of the military to oppose a tyrannical regime with force?  

      And then, if you ask around, purely hypothetically:  What would happen if a land war occurred in the United States?, the scenarios you'll hear will also typically involve mobilization of civilian populations.  If you get more specific and ask what would happen if half of the military were neutralized or taken over by a hostile force, you'll hear much the same.  

      If you connect the dots, what you get looks a lot like my scenario above.  And yeah, I wish it was only speculative fiction.  I wish we didn't live in such "exciting times," as the ancient Chinese curse puts it.  

      The best way to prevent any of these nightmare scenarios from occurring, is to have such an overwhelming victory at the polls this year and in 2008 that there is no way to rig or "fix" the results.  That means make damn sure that every single person you know is registered to vote and is able to get to the polls, and is able to take legal steps in the event their right to vote is compromised in any way.  Then in the days leading up to the election, check in with them, all of them: do they have a way to get to the polls? do they have their voting information? is there anything they need?.  Offer them rides to the polls if needed, do whatever it takes to make sure each and every one of them gets in there and casts their ballot.  

      Then perhaps we can look back and laugh at how paranoid some of us got back in the bad old days.  I'd like that.  

    •  Yes, it's speculation. (0+ / 0-)

      But if everything went wrong, would you rather have a fighting chance with your family, to say "NO" and chase away a thug, or would you be one of the ones herded into a camp?

      As someone said about this sort of thing...

      "In twenty years, we might look back on all this and laugh...or we might be too busy reloading."

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

      by Loboguara on Wed May 03, 2006 at 07:54:16 AM PDT

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