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  •  I`m still confused by the necessity (0+ / 0-)

    Congress already objects by default.  The US President does not have this power.  Congress alone has the power to declare war.  Period.  End of story.  It says so, right there in the Constitution, in plain language.

    Why don`t they arrest Bush now?  RIGHT NOW.  I don`t get this, I don`t get any of it.  I`m getting increasingly frustrated at seeing a sitting US President violate the law with impunity and knowing that he will never, ever be held accountable in a court of law.  I want to see him hauled up before an international war crimes tribunal in the Hague.

    This new bill isn`t necessary, at all.  That anyone in Congress thinks it is, shows how absolutely debased and screwed up the US government is right now.  How can anyone be this stupid?  The language in the Constitution is brief and utterly straightforward, how can anyone possibly misunderstand it?

    "Intelligent discontent is the mainspring of civilization." - Eugene Debs

    by Smyslov on Fri May 05, 2006 at 07:00:10 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with your assessment of Congress: (1+ / 0-)
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      This new bill isn`t necessary, at all.  That anyone in Congress thinks it is, shows how absolutely debased and screwed up the US government is right now.  How can anyone be this stupid?  The language in the Constitution is brief and utterly straightforward, how can anyone possibly misunderstand it?

      However we're on the brink of initiating conflict with Iran. And the sad truth is we'll be going to war with the Congress we have not the Congress we want.

    •  This bill beats the hell out of doing nothing... (0+ / 0-)

      which is what a sizable majority of the MOC's want to do.  W isn't going to be impeached, much less arrested.  Hell, he's not likely to be censured.

      Regardless of what Art I, Sec 8 says, the last prez to actually seek a formal declaration of was was FDR on 12/8/41.  I seem to recall a military action or 2 that have taken place since then.  Hell, LBJ put American troops directly into combat w/o a declaration, and Nixon extended the war into Cambodia w/o any Cong authorization.

      The current WH clearly pushes the edge of the envelope, but what they're doing isn't totally unprecedented.  Whatever brave souls like DeFazio can do to try and stop this madness is fine by me.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Fri May 05, 2006 at 07:08:27 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I`m forced to agree (1+ / 0-)
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        ... as far as it goes.  I don`t like it, but you`re right, anything is better than nothing.

        My problem is, when people get the "anything", they often settle for it and stop there.

        Besides, I think that a Rethuglican-controlled Congress should be almost irrelevant to arresting someone.  Couldn`t Washington, D.C. cops put cuffs on him at some point?  I`ve seen pictures of them standing close enough to.  They have more than sufficient justification to make a lawful arrest.  I know a lot of people are going to think I`m being ridiculously naïve here, but that people think that when these things are stated seems to me an extreme problem.  None of these things should be unusual or unthinkable, they should be the norm.  People - everyone - should be held to the law, most especially the lowest citizen in the land (the President, who supposedly has every citizen of the USA as her/his boss).

        If Bush starts a war with Iran, cops go to his house and freaking arrest him.  Why is this a problem, or unusual?

        "Intelligent discontent is the mainspring of civilization." - Eugene Debs

        by Smyslov on Fri May 05, 2006 at 07:35:11 AM PDT

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    •  legislation clearly states (0+ / 0-)
      the president cannot use the prior authorizations w/regard to iran. if this bill it designed to make any signing statement, or supporter of a said satement, in direct conclict w/the tenets of the bill. defying it would be immediate justification for impeachment. (2) rejects any suggestion that Public Law 107-40, the authorization of force resolution approved in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, explicitly or implicitly, extends to authorizing military action against Iran over its nuclear program; (3) rejects any suggestion that Public Law 107-243, the authorization of force resolution approved by Congress to go to war with Iraq, explicitly or implicitly, extends to authorizing military action against Iran over its nuclear program; and
    •  I would love that... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and I would even skip a few days at the archives in Den Haag just to go and watch!!!

      But, Smyslov, it will never happen.  Not in a million years.  It breaks my heart to say it.  If it could happen, if our Constitution was still the living, vital heart of our country, it would have already happened, but it hasn't and it won't.  That fact alone tells me something I never thought I would even think, much less believe.  I think it has finally hit home to me that the soul of America is dying, that my country will never fulfill all her promise and finally become again what we all wish for -- great AND good.  It finally hit me while I was typing my e-mail to Rep. Platts this evening (it's 10:30 PM over here), and I found myself wishing I could cry.  But I can't:  this just goes too deep for that.

      The following is a digression, I know, and I apologize in advance.  But this is something I need to write, for it has been echoing around in my head for a few days now.  I hope that at least it is relevant.

      I've been reading/skipping through Salman Rushdie's collection of nonfiction essay, Step Across This Line.  I found a translation of an Urdu poem (technical name:  ghazal) by the late great Indian/Pakistani poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz in one of Salman's essays based on his lectures at Yale.  The poem's title is "The Morning of Freedom", and its subject was midnight, 14/15 August 1947 -- Partition:

      "The time for the liberation of heart and mind
      Has not come as yet.
      Continue your arduous journey.
      Press on, the destination is still far away."

      People, we have been on this journey since 1776.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but even with all the historical problems this ountry has had -- Indian wars, slavery, Civil War, the Great Barbecue, the Depression, Vietnam, Watergate, to name a handfull -- didn't we get there a long, long time ago?  What the hell went wrong in this country that we became so hopelessly lost in the jungles?  The Constitution is our compass, and here we are -- without it as a real, vital, living force to which every overweeningly ambitious demagogue has had to submit.  It has been rendered an irrelevancy by this president and vice president, their Executive officers, and the Congress (the jury is still out on the federal judiciary, no pun intended), and I cannot, I will not forgive them for this betrayal.

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