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  •  i'm curious - how old are you and (3+ / 0-)
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    what part of the country do you come from?
    the reason i ask, i am originally from the south and am 60.

    carter really angered the old school politicians and it was the major topic of the day when he brought his georgia support group with him.

    in those days, the south and the north were still diametrically opposed in many ways - southerners were disdained - and carter appeared to be snubbing his nose at the "northern" politicians (btw, i lived in ny at the time, so i heard from all angles the outrage over southern politics taking over washington.

    as a result of not building a coalition and consensus between the georgia machine and the washington machine, washington screwed carter royally!  the "taught" the uppity southern politician a lesson!

    being a southern born person, i watched with fascination, as the old prejudices against "dumb redneck" took hold!

    southerners have always been looked down on by the faster speed north and west because of the slow drawl of the speech and apparently slow way of doing things.  that "slowness" has been also carried over into the opinion of the intelligence of those from below the mason-dixie line.

    what those in the north and west don't realize, the "slow" pace of the south and south west is due to climatization of behavior.  one does not race around in 100+ heat in the middle of the day - one paces oneself.

    at the end of the day, all the work is done - it is just done differently.

    this lack of understanding of different cultural behavior contributed to the ridicule and distancing from carter.  he didn't help resolve the issue because, like the good southern minister he is, he never saw the malevolent attitudes - he looked only for the best in those he dealt with. he spoke with a frankness and honesty that, quite bluntly, scared the hell out of washington, where subterfuge rules the day (and night!

    politics does make for strange bedfellows, the saying goes - and that is because to effectively govern a wide diversity of the population, the rule of law must apply fairly to all.  it cannot kowtow to one group or another - it cannot give overly prejudicial rule to one class or one subgroup.  this is why the founding fathers chose such a large representative body to hammer out laws for all - that only by consensus, could true fairness be reached... unless, that is, one party holds all the cards.

    it is this situation we now find that is destroying our unity - one group is imposing its narrow ideology over the whole - so the system is no longer working.

    if we want to right this ship of state, we are going to have to find a way to make that consesus happen with those who are in the middle and on the balancing side of the scale - we have to have unity to pull this nation back from the brink of fascism - we cannot do it without their help!

    •  Southerners (0+ / 0-)

      Well I cant speak for everyone, but I've always looked down upon southerners because of who they elect to represent them, because of their tolerance for incredible acts of racism and violents, and because of the close-minded arrogance.  The South is the most elite of all the elites.  They are too good to vote for non-southern politicians, even in the democratic primaries this dynamic is apparent.  They are the source of the Christian Right and its theocratic dogma.  

      Of course not all southerners are like this, but a lot of them are - many more than in other parts of the country.  I've traveled almost all of the continential US on road trips, and the ONLY region of the US where bigotry was open and public was in the South.  Southerners felt free to wear T-Shirts denigrating gays, for example.  Now the rest of the country certainly has its share of homophobes, but I've lived in MI my whole life and have never see such a proud and public display of ignorance and bigotry as I did in the South.

      You want the South to have a better image?  Change it.  Be more open-minded and tolerant.  You want the South to keep its backasswards image?  Then go on whining about how the South is unfairly written off as medieval and crazy.

      Seriously, I'm tired of listening to southerners tell me I have no values.  And make no mistake, 90% of the time some asshole on TV tells me I have no moral compass, that asshole either has a southern accent or comes from some redneck state like Wyoming or Utah.  It's getting so bad I'm starting to think we should have let the South leave the Union (AFTER we defeated them militarily and destroyed the institution of slavery).

      "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty..." ~Thomas Jefferson

      by Subterranean on Sun May 07, 2006 at 04:13:20 PM PDT

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      •  the danger here that you are falling into is (0+ / 0-)

        that you group ALL southerners together!

        when i moved to connecticut in 1970, i saw more active racism that i had EVER seen in the south!  it was subtle and it was vicious.

        the southerner opens his mouth and SAYS what he thinks his opinion is, but when push came to shove, the average southerner was the first to bring the replacement food, clothes furniture toys, etc, for the black family whose house had just burned to the ground.  they spouted off at the mouth with bigotry, but the actions always betrayed a great many - the excuse was that the ones they were helping were "different"...

        i watched the racism in nyc when cabbies routinely flick the off-duty light on for blacks, quadrouple the fee to take someone to harlem - cheat and denigrate the minorities, all the while claiming to be "liberal".

        the bottom line is that racism is rampant in ALL parts of our country - bigotry isn't just relegated to the south.

        until we learn to communicate with each other instead of telling each other what THEY think, we will have a long hard pull to repair the damage done to this nation.

        i am sorry you haven't looked into the mindset and culture of the southerner more closely.  the usual opinion from either the north or the south is one that is stereotypical, not recognizing that ignorance transcends geographical boundaries.

        bigotry is based on ignorance.  unfortunately, the rural south and midwest have a greater incidence of poverty than the bigger cities, but the less educated in those cities harbor the same resentments of those they feel threaten them as do their neighbors to the south and midwest.

        the real key is education and economic.  give people jobs, give people knowledge and they no longer hold those biases so easily.

        well, it's late and i need to go to sleep.  i hope you'll think over your own post and look to the misunderstandings you yourself hold.

        thanks for the time.

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