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  •  I think that calling for people to cut back on (1+ / 0-)
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    their complaints and redirect their energies to actually coming up with and helping to implement solutions was a sufficient addition to the discussion all by itself. But if that's not enough for you, perhaps you'd do well to read my other comments here and elsewhere on what we can actually DO to fix things, and not just complain about them.

    So what have YOU done to contribute to the discussion here?

    Talk the talk, MDR, talk the talk.

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:34:33 PM PDT

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    •  I really don't think... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that the way to reduce whining is to whine about it.

      As I prefaced my comment, it wasn't to pick on you, as I really have no idea what you might have done/be doing. But when something like this first breaks, you have to expect a certain amount of venting. But someone always has to post a "why don't you all do something!" comment. This time it was you.

      A simple "for instance" in your comment would have completely redeemed it. As it was, I found it to accomplish less than the snarky venting in other comments. At least there we get some gallows humor to smile grimly about.

      "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

      by Mad Dog Rackham on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:46:10 PM PDT

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      •  So it's settled (1+ / 0-)
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        Both the whining, and the whining about the whining--and, I'd argue, the whining about the whining about the whining--and associated venting, have run their course, and we can all now resume our unmitigated dedication to the tasks at hand--once, of course, we've had all our meta discussions about what those are and how to achieve them, and of course all the resulting recursive whining and meta whining about it.

        Snarky enough fer ya?

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:54:28 PM PDT

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        •  SNARK THIS (0+ / 0-)

          Last time I checked this was not the DNC, or even my local county committee.  It's a fucking message board.  It ain't a damn thing more.  Get real.

          •  You are a truly clueless newbie if not troll (0+ / 0-)

            if you think that this is just another "fucking message board", and not "a damn thing more". Have you paid attention to the kinds of diaries posted here, and the people posting them? This is not just the world's biggest left-leaning water cooler whose sole purpose is to provide people with the means of sounding off and venting. It is a SERIOUS blog for SERIOUS people trying to achieve SERIOUS goals. If you don't get that, you get nothing about it.

            Snarking and venting is definitely allowed here, and so is the occasional goofiness, and I wasn't saying that it wasn't. But there's a HUGE difference between people who do this ocassionally, but whose primary reasons for being here are far more serious--and whose posting history proves that and have therefore earned the right to do this--and people who come here JUST for snarking and venting.

            Again, if you don't get that, then you don't belong here. I'm dead fucking serious.

            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

            by kovie on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:12:31 PM PDT

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            •  Ooh...'dead fucking serious' eh? (0+ / 0-)

              Newbie?  Troll?  Gosh, you must be CALLING ME NAMES?

              So, now that you 'splained' it to me so good and all - I guess I have no 'fucking' choice except to 'GET IT' and get it from YOU.

              I HAVE read the 'mission statement' for KOS, but I guess I missed the part about YOU being the 'brain police' around here.

              Make no mistake about it (as if you give a shit) - I am a SERIOUS person, and I have SERIOUS goals.  But, even though you've apparently appointed yourself the final judge in these matters, I am reserving my own judgement about what a "SERIOUS blog" this is.  In any event, I will 'respect' the writers according to what I read.  As opposed to some political pecking order, or the 'tyranny' of the majority, etc.  

              I do a lot of reading about politics and government, besides that which I enjoy here, and after nearly sixty years of life - I've finally learned to take myself (and you too) somewhat LESS seriously than when I was 20 or 30something.  Which is where I think we may have a difference of opinion, if not a difference of lifestyle.

              In closing, I'd like you to know that as far as this web site being devoted to ideals of the Democratic Party - I would never have visited twice, if that were the 'price of admission.'  Fortunately (for me) the diaries which I enjoy and admire are particularly concerned with progressive or radical politics, and often are openly disparaging of the record of the Democrats.  Never mind the other party - whose name they say is derived from the river that runs through my state, and is at least as shallow and crooked.  

              As a life-long demo who changed registration to independent this year - such is my point of view!  (Scuse me there, got carried away again thinking you give a shit about anybody's point of view that varies in the slightest from your own.)

              p.s.  I'll bet you're some kind of big shot around here huh?  How's that working out for you?

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