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  •  yes, but verizon wont be routing your calls... (2+ / 0-)
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    inclusiveheart, tvb

    just giving you the dsl service.

    so they would have to be sniffing their IP traffic... which I have not heard they are doing...

    of course that doesnt mean they arent doing it -who knows?

    no snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible

    by biscobosco on Thu May 11, 2006 at 09:17:15 AM PDT

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    •  Based on what I've seen here in what the (0+ / 0-)

      average person can do in tracking IP traffic - I think it would be just too tempting for them not to be doing it.  The thing about voice lines is that they are actually the most secure in that the government has to physically enter the phone company's operations centers to get to the information they seek.  You don't have to do that with the internet.  Anything you say on the internet should be considered in your mind essentially a public communication whereas land line phone calls normally wouldn't be.

      Anyhow I realized after posting my comment above that the diarist has CABLE - so that was a duh moment on my part.

      I don't know if you just saw Bush's statement on the wiretapping or not, but he said some very contradictory things in the four or five minutes he spoke.  He said that they weren't tolling or mining.  Then that they weren't listening, but went on to say that they just wanted to hear what terrorists were saying.  How can they not listen and hear at the same time?

      •  well.. there was a project called carnivore (0+ / 0-)

        the gov't a while back wanted to force all ISPs to put a "carnivore box" onsite.  It was supposed to sniff certain types of traffic (email +?) I have a couple friends who are involved in the ISP business and privacy advocates as well. This program was not put in place, or I am sure  I would have heard them scream about it.

        Typically, An "average person" could not sniff all of your IP traffic.  But a backbone or other service provider could conceivably sniff traffic which traverses their equipment.

        However, any  IP traffic  you encrypt  with strong encryption (which evidently is available for voip, and not for POTS ) is not as you say "a public communication"

        It is good news to hear that Qwest refused to allow access to phone calls. They are also a major internet service and backbone provider see http://www.qwest.com/...
        one would imagine that they take the same stance about IP traffic.

        But they are just one backbone provider. I dont believe that there is any kind of massive infrastructure out there installed by the US govt sniffing IP traffic, but I would not be surprised to hear that they have installed something clandestinely with some agreeable service providers such as ATT.

        But that would not give them easy access to your VOIP call information.

        no snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible

        by biscobosco on Thu May 11, 2006 at 10:20:32 AM PDT

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        •  That is good to know. (0+ / 0-)

          My friends who work in government always claim that the rules are that the sensitive communication goes on paper or over a land-line phone and not the net, but if the encryption really works as well as you say, I guess it is fine.  I lived in another country for a while where the phone company and the governement monitored internet traffic and blocked web sites, so it is partly from that experience I was under the impresion that the internet-based communications weren't all that private.

    •  time-warner cable and (0+ / 0-)
      ma bells -- verizon,sbs, bell so, etc -- two different networks. cable is direct to HH. no exchange transaction unless you've got VoIP long distance or regional. that's because time-warner has no trans-national fiber.

      MCI does.

      Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

      by MarketTrustee on Thu May 11, 2006 at 07:08:36 PM PDT

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