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  •  I'm Not Getting You Off The Hook (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm criticizing your whole modus operandi.  Arguing all the time makes folks stupid.  Never arguing makes them stupider.

    You are wrong. Beinart, as Wolfgang Pauli would say, is not even wrong.

    It wasn't even ever about the Soviet Union, as my references to Twain, James and Thoreau indicate.  Just as now it isn't about "Islamofascism."

    There is a clash of civilizations.  But its not with anyone overseas.  It's between America-as-democratic republic and America-as-empire. Just as it was when Thoreau went to jail.

    •  No it is not (1+ / 0-)
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      In your favorite non-argumentive mannner - you are wrong.

      "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

      by Armando on Fri May 12, 2006 at 06:24:55 AM PDT

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      •  But Of Course! (0+ / 0-)

        Your logic is impeccable!

        But see, for example, this 1960 interveiew with nuclear phsycist Leo Slizard, in which, among other things, he notes:

        Q: Do you feel that President Truman and those immediately below him gave full and conscientious study to all the alternatives to use of the atomic bomb?

        A: I do not think they did. They thought only in terms of our having to end the war by military means.

        I don't think Japan would have surrendered unconditionally without the use of force. But there was no need to demand the unconditional surrender of Japan. If we had offered Japan the kind of peace treaty which we actually gave her, we could have had a negotiated peace.

        And this comparison of Kennan's Long Telegram and NSC-68, which shows how fundamentally the two superficially similar documents differed from one another.  In particular, it's worth noting that the multi-lateral, predominantly soft-power perspective of the Long Telegram was what actually ended up winning the Cold War, despite the fact that it was conducted primarily in terms of the unilateral, militarist framework of NSC-68.

        In the end, Lou Reed did more to win the Cold War than any general ever did.

        •  QED (0+ / 0-)

          The Gospel according to Paul.

          But what does that have to do with whether the Soviet Union was an Evil Empire or not? Or whether  Truman made the righr decison?

          "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

          by Armando on Sat May 13, 2006 at 07:31:41 PM PDT

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