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  •  That was one meeting (0+ / 0-)

    And that one meeting eviscerates the argument that Japan was prepared to surrender.

    I don;t know how you think you can explain that away.

    "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

    by Armando on Fri May 12, 2006 at 08:16:07 AM PDT

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    •  Because you keep using 'surrender' (0+ / 0-)

      according to Truman's terms.

      Truman had the option of negotiating a peace before Hiroshima.  He refused, because he didn't like the terms.

      We can agree or disagree with the terms of that surrender, but we can't say "Japan didn't want to surrender."  That's simply not true.

      And he refused to negotiate at all.  That puts the weight of guilt on him, in my opinion.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:26:46 AM PDT

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      •  What terms? (0+ / 0-)

        "All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"

        by Armando on Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:33:37 AM PDT

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        •  Absolute, total surrender. (0+ / 0-)

          If you're in a position of power, that is unacceptable as long as you have even the slightest bit of self-interest left.  That's why we rarely, rarely use it, but Roosevelt had dusted it off for the German theatre.  

          Suggested terms had included some retainer of the Japanese monarchy, some form of national military, etc.  I'm not saying these were "good" options, but the point is, you had something on the table to negotiate.  

          Truman had no interest.  So Japan had no incentive to stop fighting.  So we had to drop the bomb.  

          That's why I put part of the culpability on Truman.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Fri May 12, 2006 at 09:46:24 AM PDT

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