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  •  Begala is disgusting!! (7+ / 0-)

    It's time to be a Democrat!

    by annefrank on Tue May 16, 2006 at 01:48:32 PM PDT

    •  Corporate spies (6+ / 0-)
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      Ever wonder if there's the equivalent of corporate spies in the domestic political parties?  Ie, someone claiming to be Democrat, but is really a Republican with intentions of helping the Republican party.  Said person then acts like an ass, and hurts the Democratic Party in favor of the party in favor of the GOP?  


      Examples could include Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, Paul Begala, Bob Shrum, etc.  Of course never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.  So I'll give these so-called Democrats here the benefit of the doubt and assume they're incompetent nincompoops instead of malicious Republicans pretending to be Democrats.

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      by Bush B Gone on Tue May 16, 2006 at 02:26:13 PM PDT

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      •  Wonder No More. (8+ / 0-)

        Seriously, between Joel Klein and Paul Begala, this is the kind of question that we need to be asking!

        These guys always have grand-plans and write their op-eds in corporate-controlled msm outlets; meanwhile, they always seem to lose.  Yet, they never seem to go, they never seem to be replaced with anyone new.

        I mean, what is going on with that??

        •  Give 'em Crickets (0+ / 0-)

          Why even discuss what these totally irrelevant hangers-on have to say?

          There is a whole batch of losers that used to have influence. The less anyone mentions their names or responds to their bleating, the better.

          This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

          by Mr X on Tue May 16, 2006 at 03:06:15 PM PDT

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        •  It's another revolving door in Washington .... (1+ / 0-)
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          built by the powerful, used as a honeypot.
          Most of those trapped in the spin don't see themselves as sellouts.
          (Unlike the FedGov --> Industry --> K street merry-go-round where they long ago gave up such rationization  and know exactly what they themselves are.)
          IMHO

        •  I heard Joe Klein on CSPAN (3+ / 0-)
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          a few weeks back.  his sublte jabs at Dean irritates me to no end

          Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge

          by Cat4everrr on Tue May 16, 2006 at 06:33:05 PM PDT

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        •  Professional losers (2+ / 0-)
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          Their salaries are dependent upon the Democratic party staying out of power.  

          Well, maybe not, but it sure seems like it.  Most people, after they fail at something a number of times, will change their approach or switch to something else entirely.  

          In these guys' favor, they were part of the Clinton presidency, and so represent the last "winning" democratic party machine.  But I do believe that if the corporate media truly wanted pundits/blowhards who could best advocate the democratic agenda, they would fire guys like Begala and Klein in a heartbeat.  Well, at least Begala.  They could just rehire Klein as a right wing bloviator, and he would be a great advocate!  

          Seriously, I have no idea how Time considers Joe Klein to be a "Democratic" voice.  My right nut is more left wing than that asshole.

          "Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin

          by Subterranean on Tue May 16, 2006 at 07:55:20 PM PDT

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          •  Limericks are good anytime (3+ / 0-)
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            When you said, "My right nut is more left wing than that asshole," it reminded me of a limerick, which I shall tailor to the occasion:

            There once was a women from Dreizis
            With breasts of two different sizes
            One was GOP and small, really nothing at all,
            But the other was DEM and won prizes!

            Why do you have to be a nonconformist like everybody else? - James Thurber

            by JuliaAnn on Tue May 16, 2006 at 08:30:08 PM PDT

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      •  Half the time I wonder that myself... (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm more inclined to believe that they can't be that dumb. Why should all these seemingly dumb politicians just happen to be Democrats? Any freepers reading this will snicker at that last statement, but by "dumb" in this case I mean those who undermine their own party. I mean...Santorum is dumb but he doesn't seem to really hurt his own party.

        How else can we really explain the lame-ass moves so many have made? The Gore and Kerry campaigns were blunder-filled debacles that might as well have been scripted by Rove himself. How can we explain the Democratic party leaders who were too gutless to support Dean (who had a spark, unlike most of the candidates) and who now take impeachment "off the table?" I really don't know how anyone can be that clueless; perhaps they really are clueless and not Republicans-in-disguise. Either way, we need to establish the Democrats as a real choice again and not let these patsies control the direction of the party.

      •  I'll give you Begala and Shrum (5+ / 0-)

        Examples could include Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, Paul Begala, Bob Shrum, etc.  Of course never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

        While remaining agnostic on the brain-addled Zell.

        Stupidity alone, however, fails to adequately explain the wonders of Joementum.  

      •  I seriously doubt (2+ / 0-)
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        Paul Begala voted for John Kerry.

        "Words are, of course, the most potent drug used by mankind." Rudyard Kipling.

        by Kimberly Stone on Tue May 16, 2006 at 03:48:48 PM PDT

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      •  They're exhaust ports, old batfart (3+ / 0-)
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        exhaust ports. They get to display their silliness on the tube because the Weasel Media is the enemy. Sad thing is that some of these wankers should know better but still allow themselves to be led to slaughter on the Sunday talk shows. How I wish there was a Democrat talking head with enought sac to call bull exhaust on some of the hosts of those political gabfest shows.

        This space intentionally left bank.

        by usedmeat on Tue May 16, 2006 at 03:55:17 PM PDT

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      •  no need to look for spies (2+ / 0-)
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        The Democratic Leadership Council was founded by Bill Clinton and friends for the specific purpose of changing the Democratic Party to make it easier to raise money from corporate interests by making it part of the political Right (Wall Street/corporate, not religious crazies). Some of the initial startup money came from wingnut Right foundations like the Bradley Foundation.

        Here is an article discussing this in much more detail, both in terms of history and funding sources.

        The Truth Is Out There

        And with respect to the DLC, it's real easy to find.

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        by alizard on Tue May 16, 2006 at 04:14:07 PM PDT

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        •  Yep! after 12 years of CONServatism (0+ / 0-)

          Clinton had to go centrist to get in. But as the CONs moved farrrr right - the DLC $tayed put.

          It's time to be a Democrat!

          by annefrank on Tue May 16, 2006 at 10:18:45 PM PDT

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          •  given the circumstances in (0+ / 0-)
            1992, i.e. an unpopular President named Bush, Perot expected (correctly) to siphon off a large chunk of the GOP vote, a charismatic Democrat probably could have run on almost any platform and won.

            Clinton took the easy way out, which for him, was selling out most of the traditional Democratic Party constituency, and given his practice of the opposite of the Deam 50 state strategy, i.e. letting the party organizations in any state he had no immediate use for rot, arguably set the stage for the current disastrous state the Democratic Party and the nation is in.

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            by alizard on Wed May 17, 2006 at 01:16:15 AM PDT

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      •  The modern GOP will do ANYTHING for power (2+ / 0-)
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        Winning is everything.  Winning is all that matters.  Borrowing from Adolf Hitler, no one asks the victor whether or not he told the truth.  

        With this understanding of their M.O., it stands to reason that dirty tricks could very easily include sabotage of the Democratic party from the inside using tools such as Liebermann, Begala, Hillary, etc.  Note, these folks need not even know they are being played as virtual agents of the GOP.  Corporate money and favours could flow unusually easily, for example, to help certain "tools" thrive.  Their egos and ambition would take care of the rest once corrupted by Big Money that is suitably targeted.  This could be done without anyone being aware of a conspiracy behind the cash to encourage turds to float to the top of the Democratic apparatus.

        Just my $0.02.

        The intrinsic nature of Power is such that those who seek it most are least qualified to wield it.

        by mojo workin on Tue May 16, 2006 at 07:29:34 PM PDT

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      •  GOP mole or not (0+ / 0-)

        He is clearly not working for the interests of the Democratic party.  I've never found him to be much of an advocate for Democratic candidates and policies, either.  He bloviates on the nuts and bolts of politics, but he doesn't seem to get the big picture, or have any idea what Democratic values are.  Framing?  He walks into GOP frames on every fucking issue.

        Clinton probably used the guy strictly for nuts and bolts advice.  Overall, Begala is a complete tool.

        "Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin

        by Subterranean on Tue May 16, 2006 at 07:45:58 PM PDT

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      •  Zell Miller is in (0+ / 0-)

        a category all by himself, imho.  He may still call himself a Democrat, but he is a bona fide TRAITOR to the Democratic Party. He campaigned vigorously for Bush and denounced the Democratic Party and what it stands for as often as possible.  His demagoguery caused many Democrats to vote Republican in 2004.

        Do NOT ever give Zig-zag Zell the benefit of the doubt.  He knowingly betrayed the Democratic Party, saying he didn't leave the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party left him.  While I do think STUPIDITY is one of Miller's attributes, I think he showed us how MALICIOUS he could be as well.  Stupidity and malicious are not mutually exclusive, imho.

        I would LOVE to know what he thinks of the Bush regime at present and the party he chose to support.

        I hope this guy's toes roast in the hereafter.  

    •  Begala: 'Fan' of Rumsfeld (9+ / 0-)

      He appeared on CNN recently with JC Watts Jr., where Begala, self-professed "fan" of Rumsfeld, agreed with Watts that it helps Rumsfled to go on the road to "make his case."

      Um, it does not help Rumsfeld to "make his case" if he just keeps lying and stonewalling, you jackass.

      Take the fight to them. Don't let them bring it to you. - Harry S. Truman

      by jgoodfri on Tue May 16, 2006 at 02:41:43 PM PDT

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    •  This is why the Democrats lost Congress in 1994 (3+ / 0-)
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      Instead of backing local candidates, they put all the advertising money into supporting Hillary's health care plan.

      newsroom-l.net News and issues for journalists.

      by Jules Siegel on Tue May 16, 2006 at 02:54:52 PM PDT

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      •  We can't allow this to happen again. (2+ / 0-)
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        This Begala/Klein crowd has been running the show, claiming to know what's best, meanwhile progressive ideas always lose out.

        The corporate-controlled msm always seems to give these guys slack and let them stay on as experts, even after they lose time after time after time.

        Well, this time around, this community is going to make the difference.  We can't allow the professional losers  of our party in DC lose again.

        We've got winners in this party.  Winners who share our beliefs and are willing to enact our agenda.  They are the candidates that are worthy of our support, anything else isn't worth our time or attention.

    •  I didn't appreciate what he said (2+ / 0-)
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      But the Photoshop job at the top of this diary is pretty childish too

      "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound perch in my lake."

      by daria g on Tue May 16, 2006 at 03:49:29 PM PDT

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